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There is some limited evidence that dairy causes acne, but that may only be for some people (it could be different from person to person).
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== Introduction ==
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Reducing acne can be a common argument as a reason to go vegan, but there is no clear evidence other than anecdotes that a vegan diet is better for acne prevention or treatment.
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**maybe provide some quotes from high profile vegans making this claim **
  
Taking a very small zinc supplement (around or below the RDA of 10mg a day) might help if you are low on zinc (or eating more zinc rich foods like pumpkin seeds).
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"Go vegan to cure acne" is probably not a good argument to make at this point in time. Making this argument could cause unintentional psychological harm to vegans with acne thinking they may have done something wrong, or to people trying veganism who may feel betrayed (and get a bad impression of veganism) when promised miracles don't happen.
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A possible rebuttal to this position might be that if you argue "go vegan to cure acne," this might get people to go vegan who might learn about the ethical arguments and stay vegan despite continued acne (similar to other health foot-in-the-door arguments), or the acne may clear up by coincidence. There is a caveat to this strategy, though, in that when we don't know which effect is more pronounced and whether there is net harm or good from misinformation, lying isn't the best policy and erring on the side of honesty is the smarter option even if you don't have any ethical qualms with lying due to the possibility of blowback from lies being discovered and making it hard for people to trust other information.
  
However, effects of diet and even supplements are likely modest compared to medical intervention.
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== Dairy Related Acne ==
Can you improve your symptoms a little with diet? Probably. Should you do that instead of taking medicine? No way.
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There is some limited evidence that dairy causes acne, but that may only be for some people (it could be different from person to person). Some of the proposed mechanisms of action are hormones in the milk, milk proteins themselves raising HGH endogenously, and the high levels of iodine from iodine based sterilization in milk production.  
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**maybe provide a quote from a vegan doctor on a theoretical mechanism of action, and then contrast with a quote from a mainstream source summarizing evidence on milk and acne **
  
 
== B12 Related Acne ==
 
== B12 Related Acne ==
Only very large (unnecessarily large) supplementary doses of some vitamins and minerals pose health-risks.  
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Only very large (unnecessarily large) supplementary doses of some vitamins and minerals pose health-risks. In extreme doses, B12 supplementation can cause mild acne-like symptoms (if you experience those, it's a good idea to cut back a little). On more moderate doses, you will see no side effects. Mild acne-like symptoms from large doses of B-12 (which go away when the dose is reduced) aren't really a health risk, but it's pretty well known and often mentioned in vegan nutrition guides.
  
In extreme doses, B12 supplementation can cause mild acne-like symptoms (if you experience those, it's a good idea to cut back a little). On more moderate doses, you will see no side effects.
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== Treatment ==
 
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Taking a very small zinc supplement (around or below the RDA of 10mg a day) might help if you are low on zinc (or eating more zinc rich foods like pumpkin seeds).
Mild acne-like symptoms from large doses of B-12 (which go away when the dose is reduced) aren't really a health risk, but it's pretty well known and often mentioned in vegan nutrition guides.
 
 
 
== Cyctic Acne ==
 
For cyctic acne, your best approach will be a medication like accutane (isotretinoin). A short course of treatment can be rough (dry skin, and some other annoying side effects), but it changes the structure of your pores and can provide long-term reduction of cystic acne.
 
So, you should see a dermatologist for that (and talk to your doctor).
 
 
 
Although the branded medication "accutane" is no longer sold, this is due to the company pulling it voluntarily after a poor decision, without adequate evidence, by a jury costing the company money. But there are other generic versions available.
 
  
Regarding side effects: The only very severe side effect is birth defects, which is why regular pregnancy tests are required in some areas for women on it. Aside from that, the most severe side effect is a worsening of the acne before it gets better.
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However, effects of diet and even supplements are likely modest compared to medical intervention. Can you improve your symptoms a little with diet? Probably. Should you do that instead of taking medicine? No way. Acne poses a risk of disfiguration from scarring, which can cause lasting psychological harm, and the scarring is pretty much irreversible. So a policy of "wait until things go wrong then go to mainstream medicine" is not ideal.
Typical effects are dry lips and skin (need to use a lot of lotion and chap stick) and stuff like that. By no means fun, but the reduction in cystic acne is permanent for most people.
 

Revision as of 20:27, 28 March 2022

Introduction

Reducing acne can be a common argument as a reason to go vegan, but there is no clear evidence other than anecdotes that a vegan diet is better for acne prevention or treatment.

    • maybe provide some quotes from high profile vegans making this claim **

"Go vegan to cure acne" is probably not a good argument to make at this point in time. Making this argument could cause unintentional psychological harm to vegans with acne thinking they may have done something wrong, or to people trying veganism who may feel betrayed (and get a bad impression of veganism) when promised miracles don't happen.

A possible rebuttal to this position might be that if you argue "go vegan to cure acne," this might get people to go vegan who might learn about the ethical arguments and stay vegan despite continued acne (similar to other health foot-in-the-door arguments), or the acne may clear up by coincidence. There is a caveat to this strategy, though, in that when we don't know which effect is more pronounced and whether there is net harm or good from misinformation, lying isn't the best policy and erring on the side of honesty is the smarter option even if you don't have any ethical qualms with lying due to the possibility of blowback from lies being discovered and making it hard for people to trust other information.

Dairy Related Acne

There is some limited evidence that dairy causes acne, but that may only be for some people (it could be different from person to person). Some of the proposed mechanisms of action are hormones in the milk, milk proteins themselves raising HGH endogenously, and the high levels of iodine from iodine based sterilization in milk production.

    • maybe provide a quote from a vegan doctor on a theoretical mechanism of action, and then contrast with a quote from a mainstream source summarizing evidence on milk and acne **

B12 Related Acne

Only very large (unnecessarily large) supplementary doses of some vitamins and minerals pose health-risks. In extreme doses, B12 supplementation can cause mild acne-like symptoms (if you experience those, it's a good idea to cut back a little). On more moderate doses, you will see no side effects. Mild acne-like symptoms from large doses of B-12 (which go away when the dose is reduced) aren't really a health risk, but it's pretty well known and often mentioned in vegan nutrition guides.

Treatment

Taking a very small zinc supplement (around or below the RDA of 10mg a day) might help if you are low on zinc (or eating more zinc rich foods like pumpkin seeds).

However, effects of diet and even supplements are likely modest compared to medical intervention. Can you improve your symptoms a little with diet? Probably. Should you do that instead of taking medicine? No way. Acne poses a risk of disfiguration from scarring, which can cause lasting psychological harm, and the scarring is pretty much irreversible. So a policy of "wait until things go wrong then go to mainstream medicine" is not ideal.