Why so brainwashed?

[xChrizOwnz]

My question is: How can some religious people get so brainwashed.

How can some people become so ridiculously brainwashed to believe in idiotic and barbaric ideas. Well, to start I was at JYC (Jesus Youth Club). Don't ask why. The preacher started talking and was saying reasonable stuff that I didn't mind. Then he went and said the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. "Demons are real!" How can someone in this day and age believe in DEMONS? Well some people do think demons are real through superstition and on second thought, superstition of demons are pretty common. It was still idiotic however.

Then he said another insane thing. "Demons are inside of people!" Oh my gosh. I do not think he said that correctly. After saying two things like that I was ready to take a break. He went on and on about how Jesus can send out demons and then he tears it. He tells everyone that all atheists have demons. Judas had demons and that was his problem.

How brainwashed can you be? To believe in evil magicians who will kill you. To believe that every homosexual should be stoned and burned to death eternally? Do people think about morals before they do this. Do people even examine their own morals? Apparently not. Why are Christians (not only Christians, but of course any religion that has ridiculous ideals) so brainwashed?

[Red]

I prefer the word "indoctrinated ".

[EquALLity]

To believe in magical evil.

To believe in magic is evil?
Those damn evil 7 years olds, believing in Santa Claus!

My question is:
Why are meat-eaters so brainwashed?
And if believing in magic is evil, what is funding the torture of animals? Factory farms are barbaric.

[Jebus]

My question is:
Why are meat-eaters so brainwashed?
And if believing in magic is evil, what is funding the torture of animals? Factory farms are barbaric.

My exact thoughts. Why are you (XChrisownz) consuming meat and dairy? The idea that this is natural and good for you is just as fucked up as believing there is an almighty bearded man in the sky watching your every move.

[xChrizOwnz]

I have no reason for me to eat meat. I simply do it because it's food that is there. If I were able to support rationality by quitting meat-eating I would. However I wouldn't have anything to eat. My parents are more of the "You eat what I fix" type.
A. I don't personally fund torture.
B. I have control over what I eat, but i don't exactly have a vegan variety. Other than fruit. I don't eat salads.
C. I never said believing in magic is evil. I said to believe in magical evil. In other words, magical beings that are evil. (I should go change that, sorry)
D. Meat-eaters aren't brainwashed. Many know what they're doing. They know where what they ate came from. It's not as if they totally forget about the murder part. They know what they are doing for enjoyment, and what animals have endured. In fact, much of my family kills meet themselves. (Which I don't support)
E. Can a 12 year-old make his own vegan diet, if so how?
F. This is about brainwashed religious people. Not about Vegans/Meat-eaters.

In all I don't support torture, never have and never have claimed to. I don't support murder. I don't support any meat-eater. I simply eat it because it's what I have on my plate. What people don't understand is that many people on the forums simply can't 'Woop-dee-doo' change into vegan. Many people on this forum are teens. People tend to not have money enough to stop their normal dairy and meat diets. Some can't just go tell their parents, "I'm a vegan, go buy me vegan stuff." As a kid, I can't just go out and buy vegan products and live happily ever after vegan. I'm eating simply because that's what's on my plate.

[Sakana]

The short answer is: because they are deluded and they don't know how deluded they are. Similar to religion, meat-eating is a stupid and dangerous ideology passed on from one generation to the next without being subjected to any kind of scrutiny. These things are completely analogous. If you want to understand how people become religiously indoctrinated, you just have to ask yourself how you came to be a meat-eater. I'm not trying to launch a personal attack against you or something. I'm only telling you this because I wish someone would have told me when I was your age. If you are really only 12, it's very impressive to me that you're already interested in these kinds of things!

Even if you say you don't support animal torture or murder, you still inadverdently do so everytime you consume animal products. What the animal agriculture industry is doing is EXACTLY torturing and murdering animals. Of course, they like to dance around the subject, obfuscate reality and use all kinds of euphemisms to make you feel better about the products you (or your parents) buy... But at the end of the day, a spade is a spade. Even if it is currently legal to torture and murder animals this way, it doesn't mean it's morally right.



It's a myth that vegan diets are more expensive than meat-based ones. The poorest people in the world live on vegan diets exactly because meat is much more expensive. Assuming your parents aren't insane, I'd wager that they will be accepting and not choose to starve you to death if you go vegan.

You will probably get bullied a lot, as much of human psychology revolves around group dynamics and herd mentality. Anytime someone behaves differently from the crowd, everyone goes apeshit. With veganism it's especially bad, because people realize what they're doing might be wrong, and they start projecting all their guilt onto you in order to feel better... but wIth time you will learn not to give a fuck about the opinion of such mindless drones.

[EquALLity]

Yeah, Chris, why don't they want you to go vegan? Ask them for specifics, and then explain why their concern doesn't make sense.

You will probably get bullied a lot, as much of human psychology revolves around group dynamics and herd mentality.

I don't know about this. Maybe some people will be assholes, but I don't know about bullying.
I certainly don't get bullied in school for it. In the beginning most of my friends freaked out (with the exception of a few- thank you dinnermeal), but now they respect it/don't bring it up. I don't ever think I got shit from random strangers, though.

It's like I'm walking in the hallway, "HOLY SHIT GUYS, IT'S THE VEGHEAD!!!!!111"

If people did get all pissy-pissy about it though, they'd just be morons, so why care about their irrelevant opinions anyway?

[brimstoneSalad]

A. I don't personally fund torture.

I know the kind of parents you have, but it is being funded on your behalf. If you don't eat it, eventually they'll stop buying it and buy you something you will eat.
You might have to be hungry for two or three days until they cave. You can survive several weeks without food; your parents won't make you wait that long to give you food you can eat.

B. I have control over what I eat, but i don't exactly have a vegan variety. Other than fruit. I don't eat salads.

Fruit and salads aren't very useful. Nuts, beans, and cooked veggies are better (like broccoli).

D. Meat-eaters aren't brainwashed. Many know what they're doing. They know where what they ate came from. It's not as if they totally forget about the murder part. They know what they are doing for enjoyment, and what animals have endured. In fact, much of my family kills meet themselves. (Which I don't support)

They've brainwashed themselves in another way, convincing themselves that it's necessary and healthy, and being ignorant of the harm to the environment. Try to find a meat eater in your family who admits that eating meat is as bad as smoking, and that people can live perfectly healthfully as vegans.
They're also brainwashed in that they deny the sentience of animals against all scientific evidence.

E. Can a 12 year-old make his own vegan diet, if so how?

Yes. You will need about $3 a day. And at least a microwave.

F. This is about brainwashed religious people. Not about Vegans/Meat-eaters.

Understanding the brainwashing of meat eaters can help you understand religion. It all works by the same mechanisms.

[xChrizOwnz]

I know the kind of parents you have, but it is being funded on your behalf. If you don't eat it, eventually they'll stop buying it and buy you something you will eat.
You might have to be hungry for two or three days until they cave. You can survive several weeks without food; your parents won't make you wait that long to give you food you can eat.

A. Again, just because my parents buy it does not mean I personally fund it. Bad division/composition fallacy. Just because my parent's fund it, I eat it, does not mean I take part in funding it. The same way if someone sells cocaine to get money, and they give you money, does not mean that you sold cocaine to get that money. Starving myself until I get food is a bad idea. I can't get my parents to appease me. Again, it's "eat what's on the table."

Fruit and salads aren't very useful. Nuts, beans, and cooked veggies are better (like broccoli).

B. Personally, if you ask me, then I enjoy nuts and beans. I don't know about anything else though.

D.

They've brainwashed themselves in another way, convincing themselves that it's necessary and healthy, and being ignorant of the harm to the environment. Try to find a meat eater in your family who admits that eating meat is as bad as smoking, and that people can live perfectly healthfully as vegans.
They're also brainwashed in that they deny the sentience of animals against all scientific evidence.

D. What? No, no, no, no, no. You have it totally mixed up in a warped sense. Meat-eating is not a religion or a moral guideline. Meat-eating says that you will eat meat. However, beyond that definition it is totally up to morals if you are a meat eater or not. This is the same as saying that all atheists believe in evolution. Which is horribly incorrect. You generalize in any type of possible way here.

Problem #1 ALL meat-eaters are not brainwashed. Again, this is like saying ALL atheists believe in evolution. Some simply claim that they don't know where we come from. Totally incorrect.

Problem #2 You need a citation. Where are you finding out that meat eating is bad as smoking?
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statist ... mortality/ Are you even serious? Not only that, but doing a meat-eater mortality check wouldn't make sense, because a large percent of the popularity are meat-eaters. (I mean ALOT! And no this isn't a popularity fallacy, I am not agreeing to it because the majority does) How would you be able to tell the difference in age between an 80 year old vegan, and an 80 year old meat-eater. You wouldn't both are 80. Although vague, here's the problem. There's not much of a difference in age from a meat-eater who eats his meat moderately, and a vegan who eats moderately. (And we're talking about health problems. Physical problems, not moral ones.)

Problem #3 It has been shown that there are 200 MILLION people over the age of 65. To prove my point, any meat-eater or vegan out there. Do you know anyone or have ever known anyone who is over 75 years old? Now what about meat-eaters over 75. My point exactly, this just simply proves that meat-eating is not dangerous as smoking. The smoking mortality rate is ALOT greater than average humans (which most eat meat)

Yes. You will need about $3 a day. And at least a microwave.

I don't even know where to start. I could possibly try. To me it feels so uncertain to become a vegan at such an age. What would I even do for school lunches, or normal dinners with family? What about my friends. If I could attempt to do something then I would, but i'm not even sure where to start. I already have several hurdles to get past. I don't think my family would allow me to do this simply because it's their money. Religion is a start, my parents allow me to choose that because I have the right to. They cannot force me to believe. However they can get me to eat. My dad isn't going to go lure out and buy vegan food and support an entire new diet.

Understanding the brainwashing of meat eaters can help you understand religion. It all works by the same mechanisms.

That is increasingly misleading. First, religion is the belief in something. Meat-eating is the eating of meat. You see the problem there? With a bit of assumption. I'm going to assume you're adding on stereotypes to meat-eaters. You're adding on stuff like: arrogant, sadistic, supporters of terrorism, killers .etc. And what's the point of that. You're stating that meat-eaters are as warped and as twisted as religious people. Have you ever assumed that meat-eaters feel bad about what they eat when they realize it? No, instead you jump to simple conclusions. That meat-eaters are warped, insane, and idiotic for believing that murder is fine as long as it's with animals. Any meat-eater will not say "I LOVE MURDER, I WANT MORE MEAT." At least not in my family.

t's a myth that vegan diets are more expensive than meat-based ones. The poorest people in the world live on vegan diets exactly because meat is much more expensive. Assuming your parents aren't insane, I'd wager that they will be accepting and not choose to starve you to death if you go vegan.

Totally misleading. These people live on fruit only because it is grown there. Thus, it leads to extremely cheap fruit. Many poor places consider horses as wealth. If you have 50 horses, you would be considered rich. When horses go scarce, fruit become the main source. Since food is abundant (think demand and supply) it is ridiculously cheap to no limit. Comparing rich countries to poor countries gives you a different result

[Jebus]

I don't even know where to start.

My exact thought after reading your post. It is so full of logical and factual errors it would just take too long. Perhaps someone with more time on their hands could do you the favor.