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Post by Red » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:47 pm

Since we are planning on launching a Philosophical Vegan YouTube channel, we would like to acquire Stock Photos and Stock Footage for the channel.
We'll need subscriptions, and they aren't cheap. We want to know what are the best stock photo/footage sites, and if they have good rates.
I would like for everyone to pitch an idea for a website with these offers, and tell us their rates.
The first one that comes to mind for me is Shutterstock.
https://www.shutterstock.com/
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But yeah, any other suggestions?
We are planning on making the videos half photos half footage. What the footage and photos will be, that really all depends on what we're talking about in the video. I think we can also use this thread to discuss which photos and videos would be reasonable to use in a video.

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:28 pm

10 images for $30 is steep, and you have to get a whole year. I'd love to know if there are some other options out there.
I would imagine a single video would go through more than ten images.

Another option would be to try to avoid copyright issues by using small clips in a transformative way.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/4/29/4282168/appropriation-artist-richard-prince-wins-copyright-fair-use-appeal
They'd have to be very very short clips of film back to back in a way that creates something new, or images that have been modified.
It's a grey area, but courts are being more permissive on the topic now.

Here are some public domain options to consider as an alternative:

https://pixabay.com/
http://www.publicdomainpictures.net/

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There's an announcement advertising the patreon, but I don't know if anybody saw it since it's kind of separated at the top.

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Post by Red » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:29 pm

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:28 pm
10 images for $30 is steep, and you have to get a whole year. I'd love to know if there are some other options out there.
I would imagine a single video would go through more than ten images.
Yeah, that may not really worth the investment. Does TVA use Shutterstock? He probably is stable enough financially to pay for all of that.
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Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:28 pm
Another option would be to try to avoid copyright issues by using small clips in a transformative way.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/4/29/4282168/appropriation-artist-richard-prince-wins-copyright-fair-use-appeal
I actually heard about that case. I thought it ultimately wasn't found to be fair use?
brimstoneSalad wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:28 pm
They'd have to be very very short clips of film back to back in a way that creates something new, or images that have been modified.
It's a grey area, but courts are being more permissive on the topic now.
That sounds a bit challenging, but we'll see what we can do.
There are some pretty good images on these sites! And they're free. Maybe we can use these, and if/when we have enough Patreon support, we can start taking a few from stock sites.

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Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:28 pm
There's an announcement advertising the patreon, but I don't know if anybody saw it since it's kind of separated at the top.
I actually remember reading it, but I somehow forgot...
brimstoneSalad wrote: It's also possible to basically take our own pictures for a lot of stuff. It might possibly be easier/cheaper between the two. We can probably get some photos at grocery stores and such for some images.
Sure, I can do that, and I'm pretty sure others can help with this too. I hardly ever use my camera on my phone, but I guess I now have a valid reason to.
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:52 am

RedAppleGP wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:29 pm
I actually heard about that case. I thought it ultimately wasn't found to be fair use?
Other way around, I think. First found to be infringement, then a higher appeals court found it to be fair use.
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Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:29 pm
There are some pretty good images on these sites! And they're free. Maybe we can use these, and if/when we have enough Patreon support, we can start taking a few from stock sites.
That could work.

I'd say the priority level is:

Public domain photos/footage
Take a picture ourselves (if something easy)
Fair use of other material by changing it enough
Then if all else fails, buy stock photo/video

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Post by ModVegan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:49 pm

Red wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:47 pm
Since we are planning on launching a Philosophical Vegan YouTube channel, we would like to acquire Stock Photos and Stock Footage for the channel.
We'll need subscriptions, and they aren't cheap. We want to know what are the best stock photo/footage sites, and if they have good rates.

But yeah, any other suggestions?
Quite honestly, I'd second the idea of using Pixabay initially. They offer images and video for free. That's what I use for all my videos (I also occasionally use photos from Wikimedia). However, I can understand that if the videos will be entirely imagery (zero talking head), you might need shutter stock from the get-go.

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Post by Red » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:59 pm

ModVegan wrote:
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Quite honestly, I'd second the idea of using Pixabay initially. They offer images and video for free. That's what I use for all my videos (I also occasionally use photos from Wikimedia). However, I can understand that if the videos will be entirely imagery (zero talking head), you might need shutter stock from the get-go.
Alright, I guess for now we'll use some public domain pics (and I'll see if I can get some pics of my own), and when he hit our next Patreon goal, we can probably dedicate some money to stock images.
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Post by Red » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:57 am

On a slightly irrelevant note, I think if we are ever gonna use music, incompetech is without a doubt gonna be my first suggestion. I also suggest maybe classical music, and certain video game music (if that's allowed). Anyone think we should include music in the Channel's YouTube vids?
http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/collections.php
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:39 am

Including music is useful, but it has to be done pretty carefully. I don't really know how to do it right aside from maybe a few seconds of intro, so it's probably best avoided during the video (unless somebody else has some expertise at mixing it in).

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Post by NonZeroSum » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:58 am

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:39 am
Including music is useful, but it has to be done pretty carefully. I don't really know how to do it right aside from maybe a few seconds of intro, so it's probably best avoided during the video (unless somebody else has some expertise at mixing it in).
Youtube has a search feature for checking copyright and fair use music.
https://www.youtube.com/audiolibrary/music

I also often use obscure music that I want to go with the theme of the video not on the list. You can upload it fast to youtube from an mp3 tied to one black image to test in monetize section, before publishing without risking copyright strike. Sometimes it comes back claimed by so and so records, so they'd put automatic advertisements on themselves to claim some revenue which I don't mind for bands I like. Or it says video will be blocked in France or worldwide bar a few.

Videos same thing, have had some show fair use, tried other long ones and seen them blocked, but under a minute of the same content was okayed and just monetized by the cc holder. UV swears by under 15 seconds rule for getting past most automatic flagging like with the BBC, but even then again I've put some longer clips of theirs up too.
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Post by Red » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:33 pm

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:39 am
Including music is useful, but it has to be done pretty carefully. I don't really know how to do it right aside from maybe a few seconds of intro, so it's probably best avoided during the video (unless somebody else has some expertise at mixing it in).
I think music if the right music is placed at just the right moment, it could retain viewer's interest, show off editing know-how, and make yourself seem more professional. I might have some experience with this.
I've edited a bunch of stupid videos in the past when I was like 12, and my friends commended my music choices, as they said it fit the tone and made the video funnier.
I think this dude does a pretty good job with his music placement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MmSZrAlqKc&list=PLiaHhY2iBX9g6KIvZ_703G3KJXapKkNaF&index=13

I can understand if you don't want for us to put music.
However, I think for some parts it's necessary for the overall tone and points, and maybe for comedic emphasis (like, for example, you're imitating a redneck, you put bluegrass music in the background).
In fact, you might not have noticed it (I made it extremely quiet, and made it dissipate at certain moments), but I put Mozart's 'Turkish March' for the intro video (which I'd be fine with redoing if we have to). I put it to fit the classy nature of the site that I felt it had.
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