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Ace work! Thanks Volenta, thanks brimstoneSalad :)
Threads to draw from
- Vegan community building
- PhilosophicalVegan.com / wiki?
- featured articles / table of contents / frequently asked questions.
- Is the forum useless?
- Vegan wiki?
- Persuasion declutter thread: how to convince people?
- Vegan apologetics index
- Wiki
Drawing Board
If people liked the idea, and had the energy for it, I would actually be up for putting time into a vegan philosophy wiki, similar to how Wikipedia have a bunch of overlapping pages that fit into philosophy 'series's' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Philosophy
It would draw more viewership to the forum and be a place for spirited debate over what evidence can be presented as fact / philosophy etc.
As with transcribing videos, it's an enjoyable leisure activity that is more meaningful to me than just a practical sports hobby because I feel like I'm expanding my reading and making the discourse more accessible. --NonZeroSum (talk)
- Basically just extracting the core arguments and editing all of these discussions and threads into wiki articles?
- I think that would be great if you're up for doing it. It would surely take a lot of editing. brimstoneSalad
- Yeah starting from that basis and then having an 'Open letter to Matt' collaborative wiki feel. With categories like Normative Ethics and subcatagories like; Consequentialist, Virtue, Deontology, Theology and Existentialist.
- I'd be able to read and offer a few edits, but you might end up doing the lion's share of the work. I wouldn't have time to contribute very much.
- In terms of contributions, copy+paste and limited editing from threads might generate content more easily.
- That said, it might also draw in more users who are more interested in the wiki than the forum itself, so there might be more contribution over time.
- "I know there are lots of sites that let you setup wikis on their domain - http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Scratchpad - but not sure about implementing wikipedia programming into your own hosted site address."
- I don't think that'd be a problem, as long as we could be sure there'd be enough content created on the Wiki.
- Would hate to put it there and have it just end up with like two half finished articles because everybody got busy.
- If it generated serious content, that would definitely be worth it though. brimstoneSalad
- I imagine it as a written history of how vegans, veganism as theory and the movement has interacted with different philosophies. Plus ways they stack up as effective activism going forward. I guess our 'criticisms' section would be off the chart on pages like Deontology
- But rather than getting bogged down in non-vegan related full page summaries of everything we can limit our scope by simply linking to Wikipedia proper where appropriate.
- It's exciting seeing the bare bones of it come together, everyone's contributions worked into over-arching themes. Looks like a wiki was suggested way back at the beginning, but never got off the ground, has your opinion changed on this now brimstoneSalad because of the prescriptive route we're willing to go and the much larger material to draw from now the forum has been going for a year or so?
- --NonZeroSum (talk)
Similar site concepts already going
- Veganwiki.info [3]
Has some things going for it, but no quality control:
- Raw veganism [4]
Some good foreign language sites:
And some vegan FAQ pages for ideas
Politics
- The health stuff and basic philosophy should be pretty easy to avoid controversy on, but I hope you'd be OK keeping the articles that reference politics pretty centrist and skeptical. brimstoneSalad
- I'd be willing to help out. Since I'm pretty confused about most political issues i can keep our lefties in check a bit. miniboes
- The height of skepticism to politics is grand with me, would just be interested to follow the histories. It's the best way with wiki anyways to stick to recording theory, philosophy and events, so as not to tread on anyone's toes when editing each others pages.
- More provisos or detraction's the merrier.--NonZeroSum (talk)
- "The height of skepticism to politics is grand with me,"
- With respect to deviation from mainstream theory.
- There are plenty of well established principles in vegan politics and economics, like ending subsidies for animal agriculture, promoting vegan alternatives on the market, and making it more expensive for animal agriculture to do business (and hopefully less miserable lives for animals in the process). When we're talking about working within the existing system to change things, I think that's different. We can be prescriptive (rather than defeatist) about the steps people should take given the goal of working within the system.
- "would just be interested to follow the histories."
- History isn't always the best example, although it can show us how things can go wrong, it doesn't always tell us the best way to proceed (or even a viable route, given differences). Application of history to modern day and animal rights struggles is pretty speculative. I think that's something we have to take a skeptical approach to. I think it's fair to analyze the similarities and differences, as long as we avoid being prescriptive.
- "It's the best way with wiki anyways to stick to recording theory, philosophy and events, so as not to tread on anyone's toes when editing each others pages."
- But if it's useful this is also an activism guide in a way. We have to be prescriptive with some things, otherwise it'll just be confusing.
- Hopefully not "rational wiki" territory of vitriol and bias, but we should be able to recommend courses of action we can all mostly agree on. brimstoneSalad
