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Democracy is this pesky thing where people want to help people and make progress, not to be taken advantage of by corporations and others. It's possible Elon Musk and Trump as well as others might want to take democracy over

Here's a quote I found:

"The "Butterfly Revolution" is the plan of far right ideologist Curtis Yarvin, who openly advocates for a dictatorship in the US, to overthrow US democracy and turn it into an autocracy, in an alliance between tech billionaires and theocratic fascists.

The Butterfly Revolution: 7 steps

Step 1: Campaign on Autocracy, when Trump spoke of there being no more elections, being a dictator "on day one", threatening political opponents, speaking of using the national guard ... You know the drill.

Step 2: Purge the Bureaucracy. Yarvin called this "RAGE" - Retire All Government Employees. The Trump administration called it "The Fork in the Road". This is combined with the sweeping firings of agency heads and senior staff, such as in the FBI, the CIA, State Department, the DOJ, the illegal firings of Inspector Generals. Elon Musk and his staff have also been illegally infiltrating the administration's IT, in particular the federal payment system used to distribute trillions of dollars a year.

Yes, Musk under the guise of "DOGE" now has access to your social security number and much of your personal information. The Trump administration is actively seeking to root out all "enemies" to the cause and to recruit die-hard loyalists instead.

Step 3: Ignore the Courts. - Trump's executive order cancelling birthright citizenship is blatantly unconstitutional and is a direct challenge to the courts. A temporary restraining order was issued by a judge but the ruling is already being publicly contested by the Trump administration - Trump's executive order to freeze federal funding is another blatant violation of the Constitution and it is an attempt to override Congress' power of the purse. In spite of its suspension by a judge, a second judge has done the same thing after noting that the Trump administration and their PR said: "that the president's executive orders on federal funding "remain in full force and effect and will be rigorously implemented. ""

Trump is already showing he doesn't give up a fuck about the law, the Constitution (which has been removed from the White House website) and the courts, and this is only the beginning.

Step 4: Co-Opt the Congress Owning Congress is a necessary step for the consolidation of power and the destruction of American democracy. This has been in the works for years and and GOP appears loyal and subservient to Trump and his administration. Trump has already threatened his own party with "consequences" if they don't obey and agree to his administrative nominations.

Step 5: Centralise Police and Powers The goal here is to consolidate as much power as possible in Trump and his administration. In particular, having direct control over the police and army and deploying it as necessary to curb opposition.

Remember when Trump used the national guard to end a peaceful protest after the death of George Floyd? He did so "legally" and he CAN and WILL do it again. Why do you think he has already declared three different national emergencies, which broaden the President's powers and have unclear legal bounds? Don't forget that the US Supreme Court has granted Trump absolute immunity. He is literally above the law.

Step 6: Shut Down Elite Media and Academic Institutions The Trump administration and its Tech billionnaire already owns X, Meta (who recently bribed Trump e.g. Facebook & Instagram and they are actively working on TikTok. The attack on traditional media had already begun before the inauguration. Trump ran his campaign on "fake news" and it worked: Republican voters don't trust the news anymore, except Fox and other propaganda outlets. The press has been openly threatened by Trump and his followers.

Recently the Pentagon removed 4 major media outlets, such as the New York Times, from its office spaces. The Trump administration is actively working to defund all public US media JD Vance has openly said that he believes "the universities are the enemy". Trump's federal funding freeze applies to colleges and the Trump administration is using it to intimidate universities and forcing them to comply, right now.

Universities are already starting to fall in line so they are not defunded, starting with research related to "DEI", following the executive order that directly threatens to defund colleges if they do not dismantle their DEI programs. Controlling information is key for all totalitarian states.

Step 7: Turn Out the People That part is easy. Trump has an army of far-right zealots ready to work for him, go out on the street and deal with "The enemy from within". This is so reminiscent to me of the formation of civil militias known in the early years of Nazi Germany and their consolidation into the Sturm Abeilung (SA), Hitler's paramilitary wing. Yes, that means "Storm Troopers". Yarvin even mentions the idea of using an "app" to help train and coordinate these militias.

Project 2025 is nothing but the set of tools and guidelines to make this happen, and it is the playbook of the Trump administration. The leader of Project 2025 told us his plans very transparently: "we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be" Trump said it himself: "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote.""

- that quote was from a comment on Reddit

Some links about this topic:

https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no?si=4avZmKWg8YE0DWhp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

https://www.newsweek.com/who-curtis-yar ... hy-2017221

What do you guys think about this? It sounds crazy but many things add up

Here's another link:

https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism

Why can't these people just go to Mars and leave us alone?

The way I see it, they're probably going to try implementing aspects of Project 2025, but I don't think most of them will be passed or upheld by courts. A large percentage of executive orders Trump has signed so far are unlikely to mean much, especially when they are blatantly so unconstitutional (like the one you mentioned that goes against the 14th amendment). Even if no courts overrule them, it's unlikely they'll get enforced, like we often saw in his first term, like how he had to have his Muslim ban rewritten a few times before it was actually upheld. The President does have a lot of power, arguably too much power from poor precedent, but the office doesn't have THAT much power. He might have the supreme court, but most of his orders are likely going to be overruled by circuit courts, and he can't do much about that. Power is pretty decentralized in the US.

A recent example is Trump trying to get rid of a significant percentage of the federal workforce by offering eight months pay if they resign, which has been halted by a judge and is under evaluation on whether or not it's even legal to do so without Congress signing off on it. Trump himself is getting very old, barely younger than Biden, and his mental faculties are often being brought into question. It's hard to decipher what he really believes from what he says and what is just rhetoric, if he even understands the words that are coming out of his mouth.

But assuming Trump doesn't die in office (which there's a fair chance he will), it's only four years. And the ramifications of a Trump presidency are going to be so profoundly terrible with his tariffs and deportations that will likely lead to increased prices, inflation, and probably a recession (and I'm ignoring climate change, social policy, and foreign affairs), in two years he's going to lose Congress, and in four years we'll have a Democrat in office, hopefully one who will be able to undo most of the damage he's done and pick up where Biden left off. It won't be that hard to reinstate many of Biden's orders Trump got rid of, and of course get rid of orders Trump put in place.

And again, even if he makes himself Dictator, he isn't going to be around very long to enjoy it either way. Autocracies are able to be converted into Democracies, as we've seen in Germany and Italy, but overall there's going to be so much resistance and opposition to Trump's efforts that we really should be focusing our attention on the things he IS likely to do while in office. This stuff of putting in cronies isn't new to American politics; Besides Trump's first term, Andrew Jackson did it back in the 1830s, and he himself tried to set up a sort of dictatorship, for the time anyway. But we've been whittling away at that sort of cronyism, Trump is just a setback in those efforts.

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic. Maybe he will have some success in consolidating power, and he will actually invade Canada. But I don't think focusing on nightmare scenarios is very useful when there are other very real and very likely things he will do that will cause an insane amount of harm.