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Veganism and "Survivor"

Post by Auden Finch » Sat May 27, 2017 10:29 pm

Hey all! I've been vegan for about a year, give or take a few months, and I've had one question that's really been bugging me lately, concerning the show "Survivor" (yes, that show is still on). For those who don't know, Survivor is a reality competition show where contestants are "marooned" on an island and compete in challenges to avoid being voted out of the game. One of the big aspects of the show is the "survivalist" atmosphere, which includes food. Contestants are encouraged to catch and eat fish, and in addition, rewards to winning challenges typically include meat and dairy products. In my opinion, eating meat is only acceptable when one is in a survival scenario, (e.g. a plane crash à la Lost, no I don't only think of things in terms of TV shows :roll: ) but the voluntary nature of applying to be on a TV show seems like it would counteract that justification. What do you think? Is the behavior regarding food on Survivor ethically justifiable, or is it just more cruelty?

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Sat May 27, 2017 11:17 pm

Auden Finch wrote:
Sat May 27, 2017 10:29 pm
he voluntary nature of applying to be on a TV show seems like it would counteract that justification. What do you think? Is the behavior regarding food on Survivor ethically justifiable, or is it just more cruelty?
Correct; voluntarily putting yourself in a position where you must kill to survive is unethical (in fact they aren't in such a situation since they can leave the show at any time, they just won't win the prize at the end whatever that is).

It's like breaking into somebody's house to rob the house, and then shooting the owner in "self defense".
Even in common law, there's allowance for provocation, and as I understand killing in "self defense" after you've provoked somebody is no longer justified legally. It could be robbing the person, or it could be as simple as say sleeping with a man's wife or insulting him to his face (depends on the jurisdiction).

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Sun May 28, 2017 12:54 am

By the way, welcome! I hope you'll post an intro.

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Post by NonZeroSum » Sun May 28, 2017 7:02 am

Welcomes to ze forum :)

Agree with brimstone above, going to an island in the middle of nowhere where they can get away with brutal hunting methods for a spectacle reality TV show is distasteful to the highest degree.

I remember watching Ben Fogle's 'new lives in the wild' where he visited a family in Alaska that lost their baby to hypothermia for getting flipped over in a canoe, I stopped watching as I just couldn't imagine how they lived with themselves or hadn't become fervent activists against appeals to the primitive, ModVegan explained that it's a difficult subject for her because her Dad potentially died from health complications in Canada for choosing to live a low tech life in isolation.

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Post by cornivore » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:29 pm

NonZeroSum wrote:
Sun May 28, 2017 7:02 am
a family in Alaska that lost their baby to hypothermia for getting flipped over in a canoe
I was just reading an article about neonatal hypothermia, it's kind of a silent killer even under ordinary circumstances.

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Post by Jebus » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:19 pm

I stopped watching Survivor about 15 years ago. Surprised to read that the show is still going on. Was there ever a vegan contestant on the show?

Interesting anecdote: The concept behind the show originated in Sweden in 1997 under the name "Robinson." The first person who was voted off in the first episode went home and killed himself.
How to become vegan in 4.5 hours:
1.Watch Forks over Knives (Health)
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Congratulations, unless you are a complete idiot you are now a vegan.

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Post by corym » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:21 am

Auden Finch wrote:
Sat May 27, 2017 10:29 pm
the voluntary nature of applying to be on a TV show seems like it would counteract that justification. What do you think? Is the behavior regarding food on Survivor ethically justifiable, or is it just more cruelty?
totally agree

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:05 pm

I'm pretty sure corym is a spammer, the post contained a very tiny hidden link.
corym wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:21 am
Auden Finch wrote:
Sat May 27, 2017 10:29 pm
the voluntary nature of applying to be on a TV show seems like it would counteract that justification. What do you think? Is the behavior regarding food on Survivor ethically justifiable, or is it just more cruelty?
totally agree
Corym, if you're not a spammer please don't post links in posts like that.

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