onlyifchased wrote:
Yes I agree that this is weird. My doctor said the symptoms correspond loosely to lactose intolerance, but that doesn't explain the egg thing, or why I have trouble still with very low lactose foods like hard cheeses. I have always had a touchy stomach so I suspect that I might never really know why this happens.
Considering digestive issues cause so many problems and are so well correlated to ill health, maybe avoiding eggs and dairy (for you, with your particular issues) would be wise for those reasons as well.
onlyifchased wrote:
It's been additional incentive to remain meat-free, on top of the fact that meat now seems disgusting to me. I wish I felt the same way about dairy and eggs, but I just can't seem to feel revulsion for them, and still craved them even after months of avoiding them completely.
What kind of replacements have you tried? Our bodies don't really crave specific nutrients as linked to foods so much (e.g. an iron deficient person might crave ice -- that doesn't make sense). It's probably a matter of psychology and taste addiction.
Have you tried tofu scramble with black salt? Nutritional yeast? Any vegan cheeses, or non-dairy milks?
onlyifchased wrote:
Yes! I use peanut and pea based protein powders in all applications other than my post workout shake. I've tried hemp and rice powders and don't care for them personally.
What about them do you not like? Do you have problems with soy?
How about beans as a protein source? Have you tried mock meats?
Studies demonstrate that there's no real benefit to ridiculous amounts of protein for strength training.
Are you sure your consumption patterns are evidence based, rather than habit, or a sport myth?
http://www.eatright.org/resource/fitness/sports-and-performance/fueling-your-workout/protein-and-the-athlete
Recommendations
While protein needs of both endurance and power athletes are greater than that of non-athletes, they're not as high as commonly perceived.
The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, Dietitians of Canada and the American College of Sports Medicine recommend the following for power and endurance athletes, based on body weight:
Power athletes (strength or speed): 1.2 to 1.7 grams/kilogram a day
Endurance athletes: 1.2 to 1.4 grams/kilogram a day
This is a pretty good article debunking in detail the 1g/lb myth of protein for body builders:
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
I recommend reading the whole thing, but here's the point:
Based on the sound research, many review papers have concluded 0.82g/lb is the upper limit at which protein intake benefits body composition (Phillips & Van Loon, 2011). This recommendation often includes a double 95% confidence level, meaning they took the highest mean intake at which benefits were still observed and then added two standard deviations to that level to make absolutely sure all possible benefits from additional protein intake are utilized. As such, this is already overdoing it and consuming 1g/lb ‘to be safe’ doesn’t make any sense. 0.82g/lb is already very safe.
onlyifchased wrote:
Whey is still the tastiest (to me) and most bio-available protein, and in studies seems to confer an advantage in muscle building and retention over all other post workout shakes.
If you can link me to what studies you're talking about, I'd be glad to look at them, but it's really irrelevant because even if that is true for some other study participants if you have digestive issues with dairy, the whey is probably holding you back.
You should see overall better health and performance on a diet more suited to you.
Your protein consumption is probably already in overkill anyway, and not the limiting factor in your performance.
Jack Norris has a very comprehensive article on weightlifting:
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/weightlifting
He examines the evidence surrounding protein, as well as useful supplements you may want to consider.
onlyifchased wrote:
So it is hard for me as a weightlifter who competes to give that advantage up.
It's probably not actually an advantage for you if you're having issues with dairy.
Creatine supplementation and others would probably be more useful: and cutting out the eggs and dairy so your digestive system functions better.
onlyifchased wrote:This article about protein powder also explains pretty well why I think protein powder should go to the bottom of the list in terms of changes to make to my lifestyle for harm reduction:
https://powersmoothie.org/ethics/
Generally true of cheap byproducts. It's an issue of economics; it's a matter that would require some research to determine the actual magnitude of effects.
onlyifchased wrote:
I love whole wheat toast with butter, and pancakes with a tiny pat of butter on top.
Have you tried the daiya vegan cream cheese? It's made from coconut, and spreads pretty nicely for toast applications. You might like it.
I've found in the past that coconut oil works well on pancakes, and doesn't have a strong taste.
onlyifchased wrote:
Thank you for engaging with me on this, I appreciate the back and forth with someone who genuinely wants to help. I hope you do not mind my arguing, it helps me to see my own bullshit in black and white and work on whittling away my weaker arguments to myself to avoid living a life more in line with my ethics.
No problem.
