brimstoneSalad wrote:
YES, you are rude. You did not understand my post. You need to improve your English, because you totally misunderstood.
I've understand your definition of
freegan ,but you didn't gave me why I'm being rude and why being vegan absolute solution to animal cruelty. You gave a pointless and long examples of freegan including my friends and families which indicates to me that you despise meat-eater as if I should go freegan. Do you think changing your or my dietary going to stop animal cruelty in reality? Understand my original question and arguments first please.
brimstoneSalad wrote: I said if you want to be freegan, you can eat meat from the rubbish bin (this is also called meagan, to distinguish from vegan freegans). This is a real attitude. People actually do this.
I knew people who may eat meat from rubbish bins, and I respect them. This is not so dirty, the meat is fresh (for example, 'expired' yesterday), and often in the package. This is their choice, and I can accept it.
I actually don't care if people go freegan or not. That's their own way to stop animal cruelty however that is still not the best way to stop animal cruelty or prove your justification of
organic meat is bad.
Something like 10% of all food is wasted on a regular basis. Can you imagine how many people that can feed?
That's why I want to suggest people a portion control than not eating meat. Which is more reasonable and healthy. Can you imagine how much we can save if people stop overeating?
IF you choose to eat meat from the rubbish bin, then I will 100% respect you. I would never criticize somebody for this choice.
When you eat meat from the rubbish bin, you will reduce waste and help the environment.
I'm not freegan. Can't you tell?
Grocery stores are very wasteful, and they often throw out meat which didn't sell, even though the meat can still be eaten.
People in shopping malls will often order a burger, and take one bite and then leave their trays to be thrown away.
Then it's grocery stores fault for overproducing and wasting a perfectly good meat, we should criticize that not meat-eaters. There's nothing you can do about people throwing foods ,but we can promote people to stop wasting the foods with reasoning.
FREEGANS make the moral choice to live off the waste of society rather than create more waste and use more resources.
Don't insult Freegans.
There are people who eat vegan, except if they find meat which has been wasted they may eat it. This is called Freegan, or MMeagan.
I've never insulted freegans, but I criticize your flaw about going vegans and organic meats. You've insulted me(not freegan) for that pointless and long assumption of "if your a freegan" as if I eat meat I should go freegan. which is totally absurd solutions of yours.
"It is a moral alternative to veganism."
not an absolute solution for people's hunger and people's overeating. Again morals for whom?
AND, as to your rudeness, read the forum rules here:
https://theveganatheist.com/forum/viewt ... p=224#p224
forum rules wrote:3. Post in English (it's OK if it's a second language), and please try to use mostly proper grammar and spelling (we're not grammar nazis, but it needs to be readable). If it becomes clear your English ability is not proficient enough to understand the posts of others written in clear English, and your behavior is one of arrogance and impatience rather than humility and a willingness to improve your English level to avoid the problem in the future, you may be warned or banned.
You are welcome to participate here even if English is not your first language. Most of our members have English as their second or even third language. BUT if you can not understand what others are saying, and consistently RUDELY refuse to re-read in attempt to understand the true meaning of a post, responding as you have here with wild claims that have nothing to do with what people have said, you will cause a lot of trouble for others.
First of all.
IF I couldn't understand you're stand or questions in the beginning I would've asked you and
I did. You maked a
false accusation . If you want me to organize all the question I can but you have to agree that you ignored all my questions and contradiction to your answer. Second is that you didn't address on what quotes have you assumed I'm being rude. Third what's this "wild claims" and "True meaning" of yours? How self-righteous do you have to be to typed those? Stop play victim card and criticize my "Wild claims" if you've understand. If you did not understand my "wild claim" then ask me politely rather accusing me of being rude.
As long as you are humble and respectfully ask me to clarify what I have said, I am happy to help you improve your English.
However, I need you to try harder first, and carefully re-read my post to try to understand.
Again, I suggest you to re-read my "Wild claims" and come up with better solution. I suggest you to criticize my claims not my grammar skill.
But don't insult anybody on this forum again when it is clear you have not understood what was posted because of your poor English level. That is not acceptable behavior.
What insult? Vegan is not an absolute solution to world problem?
FALSE.
I said it is MORAL to eat meat from a rubbish bin.
If you ate meat from a rubbish bin, I would call you a HERO.
This is called Freeganism/Meaganism. Freegans are good people, who do not waste. Instead, they consume food which others have carelessly wasted.
Do I have to up bring your pointless and your rude assumption of my friends and families would intentionally throw meat in trash in order for me to eat? I criticize your attitude toward meat-eater not freegan.
FALSE.
Re-read my post.
Some fake freegans, who do not understand freeganism, believe there is a loophole in freeganism, where if their friends place plates of meat on the rubbish bin to give to them, that's freegan. Or if they mooch meat from others, it's freegan. It is not.
You totally misunderstood my post.
I'm pretty sure you contradicted to yourself right there. You know freegan are a way to stop wasting food so they look for a meats in the rubbish bin in the first place ,but freegan would refuse meat from friend's offers which could've been a leftover? Are you seriously suggesting me that freegan would refuse all meat which could've been thrown in the trash?
seand123 wrote:And you calling me I'm rude.
Yes, you are RUDE. You didn't understand my post because your English is poor. That's OK to have poor English. But if your English is poor you should be HUMBLE, try harder, and ask for help.
Don't ASSUME the meaning of what somebody is saying and try to argue against him or her right away.
"Yes, you are RUDE. You didn't understand my post because your English is poor." False accusation, I literally quoted your words in order to point out your flaws in the response. Then you say I've misunderstood your post? really?
"That's OK to have poor English. But if your English is poor you should be HUMBLE, try harder, and ask for help." Well, if my English was poor you would've criticize my sentences in which you didn't. You asked humble but in another way you are asking for my submissive to your false claim and I did ask you a lot of questions and contradiction to your claims.
Instead of being humble, you have been arrogant, and made incorrect assumptions about what I said.
You're making a false accusation without any quotes from mine being rude and played a victim card instead of rationally argue with me.
Seriously dude? Aren't you atheist? Couldn't you think more rationally and ask me?
You started making a bunch of arguments before even understanding what I said.
Didn't I put your quotes next to my arguments? And you still think I didn't understand you?
So, no. If you want clarification on something, quote me and ask for clarification on what it means, and don't try to make arguments against it until you understand.
How would I make a arguments without understanding you're quotes. I literally put a quotes next to my argument in order for you to understand my criticism to your contradiction.
The way you replied to what I said made no sense and it was clear you didn't understand my post at all, so I asked you to re-read it.
My sentences didn't make any sense therefore I was being rude without understanding. That's sounds like as If I don't understand God therefore I'm being rude without understanding the God when I criticize their claims. What a hypocrite.
It wasn't a comparison; they are very different things. I said it's IMMORAL to buy meat from the store. But it's MORAL to eat meat from the rubbish bin. It's a totally different situation.
Original question: "Is being vegan absolute way to detest the animal production(animal cruelty)?
and you brought freegan over which is still not an absolute way to detest the animal production(animal cruelty). It was about vegan. I didn't ask if I have any solution to detest the animal cruelty. The key word was "Absolute".
Every day, so much meat is thrown away which is still in good condition, and can feed many people.
I agree with this
When you find the meat from the grocery store rubbish, you will SAVE it from waste, and protect the environment by eating it instead of buying meat (which will harm the environment and animals).
Buying meat = Evil.
Rescuing wasted meat from rubbish = Good.
But you have to understand economics in order to do this properly.
Now this is a irrational thoughts. How come you concluded that buying meat is evil? Don't you have to criticize how grocery store sell them and criticize their method of handling? Don't we have to criticize the people's diet to stop over demanding the meat rather saying meat is bad? You going vegan or promoting vegan won't save the environment, stop animal cruelty and promote people's healthy dietary(not fully vegan). Plus you won't able convince the meat-eater for their healthy diet. You can't criticize meat-eaters because they purchase meat, we should criticize the unhealthy way of meat factories promoting the meat. Stop targeting the meat, target the people's health dietary(balanced), meat companies unnatural way to farm, meat companies overproduction and people over demanding a meat.
If I see people overeat sugar I suggest them to minimize sugar for health issue.
If I see people overeat meat I suggest them to minimize meat for health issue.
If I see people overeat sodium I suggest them to minimize sodium for health issue.
If I see people overeat carbohydrate I suggest them to minimize carbohydrate for health issue.
It's about education for nutrition facts. You can't blame meat for people ignorance.
People have different cases depended on their diet. You can't just blindly say "Meat is overall bad". Which is not true.