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Integrated Crop-Livestock Systems is sustainable?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:56 am
by animadruga
I'm realizing that environmental criticism made to the livestock is being countered by the idea of Integrated Crop-Livestock Systems. According to proponents of this idea , this would be the only way to make a sustainable livestock . And they defend the thesis that it is a better system than conventional farming .
This system has recognition from several organizations as a sustainable model .
I'm looking for ways to make criticism of this system , and demonstrate the superiority of conventional agriculture compared to that system , but can not find scientific articles. Apparently , this system produces less greenhouse gases than conventional farming and the land of planting stay with better quality than conventional farming .
Anyone ever heard of this? You know something that can help me?

http://www.fao.org/agriculture/crops/th ... ystems/en/


http://wcclf2015.com.br/news/congress_n ... hp?lang=en

Re: Integrated Crop-Livestock Systems is sustainable?

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:34 pm
by brimstoneSalad
This looks like it's meant for third world countries, as a lesser of evils, for lack of infrastructure. "Sustainable" is relative here.

Modern, conventional plant crop agriculture is the most efficient there is given common industrial infrastructure. There's nothing about integrating animal agriculture that improves things.

Can you quote something specific you're having trouble with?

If we want to one-up current agricultural practices, we'd have to do it by bringing agriculture closer to home, and automating. E.g. robotic rooftop or window/wall gardens.

Re: Integrated Crop-Livestock Systems is sustainable?

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:54 pm
by animadruga
See this Publication. This report indicates the best way to be sustainable . The report supports this model of livestock .

"Climate change scenarios could be built, for instance, assuming shifts in
yields due to climate change. In the FAO GAPS model, yields are explicitly
modeled as crop/livestock"

"Hence, all people, including the poor, will need to be
enabled to have access to healthier, diverse diets. "

http://www.fao.org/3/a-i4777e.pdf

Re: Integrated Crop-Livestock Systems is sustainable?

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:38 pm
by brimstoneSalad
Link didn't work for me.
"Climate change scenarios could be built, for instance, assuming shifts in
yields due to climate change. In the FAO GAPS model, yields are explicitly
modeled as crop/livestock"
That doesn't mean anything. It just says "These are the yields for this model".
"Hence, all people, including the poor, will need to be
enabled to have access to healthier, diverse diets. "
As I said, poor do not have infrastructure for modern high yield farming practices. It sounds like they're assuming poor people are going to eat meat, and trying to work in vegetable agriculture too for diversity.
This is assumed to be a method to improve yield on land for non-intensive operations by poor for developing countries. I do not think this is even being suggested for developed nations with modern agricultural methods.