Philosophical Vegan Forum

I agree that rape happening onto women is more likely, and no one here said otherwise, but there are cases of women raping men.

PrincessPeach wrote:Well in order for it to be considered rape penetration has to happen to the sexual organs (vagina or ass hole)

Rape = the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
Both women and men can do this, and it doesn't necessarily require the penetration of the victim; e.g. woman drugging a man (unwilling to have sex) and having sex with him - that's rape.

PrincessPeach wrote:Since men do not walk around with their genitalia out unless they live in a nudist colony (people in those colonies live with a respected code of ethics )
It is so unlikely for a woman to rape another man.. Really come on I don't really want to explain any more..

What do you mean? Women don't walk around showing genitalia either.
One does not need to show his/her genitalia in order to get raped.
More unlikely than a man raping a woman, yes, but still happening.

PrincessPeach wrote:Brutal rape attacks will have some sort of evidence left behind other than word of mouth,
word of mouth rape claims give alll the real victims of real rape a very difficult time to be taken seriously..

Most of the cases, like you said, will have clear signs. But take the example I gave before (woman drugging a man to rape him); what sort of physical sign are you looking for there?

thebestofenergy wrote:I agree that rape happening onto women is more likely, and no one here said otherwise, but there are cases of women raping men.
Rape = the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
Both women and men can do this, and it doesn't necessarily require the penetration of the victim; e.g. woman drugging a man (unwilling to have sex) and having sex with him - that's rape.

What do you mean? Women don't walk around showing genitalia either.
One does not need to show his/her genitalia in order to get raped.
More unlikely than a man raping a woman, yes, but still happening.

In order to be raped one has to be penetrated, so penetration is necessary for rape.
Women drugging men that is plausible but if a man is drugged enough to the point that he is unconscious, his heart rate would most likely be slowed down enough to the point that it would be hard to get an erection, ever heard of the expression "whiskey dick" or "coke dick" or "heroin dick" or "x dick" ? That expression means one can not get an erection because too much drug use has slowed down the heart rate and blood flow to vital organs. Now we could infer that vegan man may have less of a chance of getting a limp dick from illicit drug use if by chance a vegan man get's raped by a woman, yes you may have a harder time not getting hard ...

Most woman do not walk around with their genitalia out but here is the thing, a woman does not have to be sexually stimulated in order to be raped, a vagina can be an open hole to whom ever wants to take advantage of it if the woman is unaware of the attack.( a woman could be sleeping and get raped, a man can not get raped in his sleep unless he has an erection in his sleep)
A man can not be unaware of a rape attack by a woman unless he was like you said drugged

thebestofenergy wrote: Most of the cases, like you said, will have clear signs. But take the example I gave before (woman drugging a man to rape him); what sort of physical sign are you looking for there?

Well a woman drugging a man there would certainly be the physical evidence of drugs in the victims system, now that evidence may not stand up in court because who is to say that he did not choose to take those drugs, or that he did not take drugs after the fact of the matter, the fact that some one has drugs in their system would be evidence in a sense, it would be circumstantial evidence.
&& If a woman is raping a man well I am sure her juices will be flying all over the place, I am sure that she will have also left hairs behind, make up, fibers ect who know what kinda of evidence she could leave behind.


Enough rape talk I am exhausted with it!

Another thing I hate that woman do,

"A man can never ever under any circumstances hit a woman even if the woman hits the man first!"

Anyone that has this mind state just pisses me the fuck off....

If you hit somebody be prepared to get hit back.

Women that think they can hit men just because they think they're protected by law and society because its sociably unacceptable for a man to hit a woman is just outrageous to me...
IMO
Some women feel that they deserve to be protected by their man, they want to feel that they can do whatever they want physically or mentally to a man and that the man just has to take all of the women's shit with out reacting souley based on the perceived fact that a women are not as strong as men.... ?
I hate those women.

PrincessPeach wrote:In order to be raped one has to be penetrated, so penetration is necessary for rape.

I've just explained you that it's not always the case, and I even gave you an example.

PrincessPeach wrote:Most woman do not walk around with their genitalia out but here is the thing, a woman does not have to be sexually stimulated in order to be raped, a vagina can be an open hole to whom ever wants to take advantage of it if the woman is unaware of the attack.( a woman could be sleeping and get raped, a man can not get raped in his sleep unless he has an erection in his sleep)

Well, I said I agree with you that a scenario were a woman rapes a man is much less likely to happen, if that's what you want to say.
It's easy to have an erection even when raped, or on the point of being raped.

PrincessPeach wrote:"A man can never ever under any circumstances hit a woman even if the woman hits the man first!"

Anyone that has this mind state just pisses me the fuck off....

I know, that really annoys me. If a woman hits a man, it's all fun and laughing, but if a man hits a woman, people lose their minds - especially if the woman plays the victim; it becomes a case of domestic violence.
This is seen a lot in the medias; just check some advertisings or some films, there's so much double standard it makes me cringe. And all of that reflects in real life aswell.

thebestofenergy wrote: I've just explained you that it's not always the case, and I even gave you an example.

I still don't get it, please give the details on how a female can rape a man I'd love to know ...

thebestofenergy wrote: Well, I said I agree with you that a scenario were a woman rapes a man is much less likely to happen, if that's what you want to say.
It's easy to have an erection even when raped, or on the point of being raped

I would think you would have to have an erection to be raped by a woman's vagina..

thebestofenergy wrote: I know, that really annoys me. If a woman hits a man, it's all fun and laughing, but if a man hits a woman, people lose their minds - especially if the woman plays the victim; it becomes a case of domestic violence.
This is seen a lot in the medias; just check some advertisings or some films, there's so much double standard it makes me cringe. And all of that reflects in real life aswell.

Yes it's like women think they can antagonize a man with out any repercussions and I just don't feel that way at all.

PrincessPeach wrote:I still don't get it, please give the details on how a female can rape a man I'd love to know ...

Princesspeach wrote:be raped by a woman's vagina..

You answered yourself.
How can a female rape a male? Anally (with the help of an object) or frontally.
The circumstances that lead to that? There are many possible ways, you can use your imagination - e.g. using drugs, force, group of people, tying up.

PrincessPeach wrote: I would think you would have to have an erection to be raped by a woman's vagina..

Which was the whole point of my post... Maybe you can re-read it in that light.

It's sometimes said, men have two brains. Rape happens when the ones inside their skulls don't consent. The other one, part of the sympathetic nervous system, consents to anything and everything all the time provided there's nerve stimulation involved- but that one is legally irrelevant.

Saying otherwise is like hitting somebody on the knee with a hammer and then saying he or she chose to kick that leg.
It's just a reflex.

If you had a man tied down, it wouldn't matter how much he did NOT want to have sex, you could tell him you're HIV positive and if he isn't I can almost guarantee he wouldn't consent, but you'd have no problem getting an erection out of him anyway.

It's not something men choose to have, or can consciously stop having -- regardless of how many awkward social situations that might prevent.

brimstoneSalad wrote:

PrincessPeach wrote: I would think you would have to have an erection to be raped by a woman's vagina..

Which was the whole point of my post... Maybe you can re-read it in that light.

It's sometimes said, men have two brains. Rape happens when the ones inside their skulls don't consent. The other one, part of the sympathetic nervous system, consents to anything and everything all the time provided there's nerve stimulation involved- but that one is legally irrelevant.

Saying otherwise is like hitting somebody on the knee with a hammer and then saying he or she chose to kick that leg.
It's just a reflex.

If you had a man tied down, it wouldn't matter how much he did NOT want to have sex, you could tell him you're HIV positive and if he isn't I can almost guarantee he wouldn't consent, but you'd have no problem getting an erection out of him anyway.

It's not something men choose to have, or can consciously stop having -- regardless of how many awkward social situations that might prevent.

That is so.
I never said it couldn't happen, just highly unlikely.
Those dirty little whore bags we outta get em.

PrincessPeach wrote: I never said it couldn't happen, just highly unlikely.

Even highly unlikely times almost six billion people means it happens pretty often.

Most men who have been raped were raped as children (whether by women or men).
Most adult men who have been raped were raped by other men.
But a small portion of those adult men who have been raped were raped by women.

Although most circumstances I can imagine involve illegal manipulation such as blackmail, rather than force.

E.g. "Have sex with me or I'll tell everybody you raped me!"

Which is, the woman raping the man by threatening to tell people it was the other way around.

If a woman wants to have sex with a man and she's scorned, she can think of ways to make it happen if she's unscrupulous.

When you count blackmail rather than just physical force, I'm betting the numbers go up.
But then, where do you draw the line between what's rape and what's "fair" manipulation?

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Even highly unlikely times almost six billion people means it happens pretty often.

Most men who have been raped were raped as children (whether by women or men).
Most adult men who have been raped were raped by other men.
But a small portion of those adult men who have been raped were raped by women.

Although most circumstances I can imagine involve illegal manipulation such as blackmail, rather than force.

E.g. "Have sex with me or I'll tell everybody you raped me!"

Which is, the woman raping the man by threatening to tell people it was the other way around.

If a woman wants to have sex with a man and she's scorned, she can think of ways to make it happen if she's unscrupulous.

When you count blackmail rather than just physical force, I'm betting the numbers go up.
But then, where do you draw the line between what's rape and what's "fair" manipulation?

I understand your logic. Although I wouldn't consider black mail 'rape' that is like you said manipulation, trying to get what she wants and winning if she gets well you know, lol... But she never took the choice of the man having sex with her away, the man still chose to have sex with the woman, he could easily just say 'no' and let what ever happens happen. So it's not rape, sexual manipulation, people manipulation one another to drugs all the time, they're not victims of drug abuse, they are victims of being persuaded into bad choices. Unfortunate for the man for having to live his life in fear. It seems that men do have to live their life in fear of women, well playing the victim card unnecessarily.
The power some woman think they have over men just really infuriates me.
The way I see it men need women and women need men, if men didn't have women and women didn't have men we wouldn't exist, both are needed in the creation of life, we're 50% mom and 50% dad your gender wasn't by choice it was by chance and that's the really the only difference between a man and a woman, it's their gender. No man is of a higher being than a woman or any other sentient being, and vise versa. No matter what one think's they are, it's not a matter of fact just a matter of one's opinion. We're just living beings, that's it.

Has anyone an idea of why this anti-feminism thing is so big and sometimes pretty strident in the atheist community, especially on YouTube (from what I've seen)? Both advocated by some popular hobbyist YouTubers, as well as in comments of videos with content that appeals to atheists. I read that it's mostly men that are concerned over atheist issues and thus are in the big majority, but I thought equality between men and women—both legally as well as socially—was one of the key points… I love how Dillahunty speaks out about his concerns that the atheist community as it is could be more mixed than it is right now (both in gender as in race). And maybe it really is just a semantic issue, but I do feel that it actually goes beyond that—otherwise I absolutely can't understand why they are making such a big deal out of it.