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Volenta
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Re: Why Do You Eat Animals?

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Dudugs wrote:
  1. 1. Going vegan isn't going to stop animals from getting killed.
If you mean to say that there are still insects dying from plant production, then you're right. Although it's still the best way to reduce suffering and killing as much as possible, since there are more plants needed for a pound of meat. Your existence is causing inevitably harm, but you can choose to minimize that as much as you can.
If you mean in in the sense that your effort is not going to stop it from happening; you could say the same thing about every other immoral behavior. You can't stop rape from happening in the world, should you do it as well then? The only difference is that killing animals is permitted by the law, but that doesn't make it right. If you think it's immoral—and I think you do, you just prefer to close your eyes—why don't live by your values?
Dudugs wrote:
  • 2. I don't get bothered by eating meat. If someone killed a pig and handed over meat to meat I wouldn't probably eat it. Out of sight out of mind. It's the same thing with death for example. If someone makes an Holocaust joke I won't be bothered, but I see photos of dead jews and Aushwitz, I will cry my ass off.
You think it's only immoral if it happens out of sight? I think every meat eater has a responsibility in knowing where their food comes from, and base their choices on that information.
Dudugs wrote:
  • 3. It gives me energy. If I don't eat a good dose of daily meat I really don't get energy enough to trough to a day.
Just cutting out meat or other animal products isn't very smart. Did you replace it with something? Tell us something about what you ate.
Dudugs wrote:
  • 4. Captive life isn't that bad. As long as they have a good amount of food, a large space and good conditions their life is better in the wild, without worrying about predators and finding food.
Are you only consuming animals/animal products that have the conditions you think are morally justifiable?
Dudugs wrote:
  • 5. The animals don't show emotions. Again out of sight, out of mind. I don't feel bad for the animals because they didn't look sad or suffering.
We humans are very social animals, and have better chance at surviving by showing our emotions the way we do (otherwise it wouldn't have developed). It is not beneficial for all animals; but just because they don't show it, doesn't mean they don't have it. The production of chemicals in the brain that gives you a bad feeling when you're child is taken away from you for example, is very beneficial. The capabilities to feel and be emotional aren't unique to humans. And also: some animals do show emotions, but not always in human like ways.
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GPC100s wrote: I haven't been diagnosed with anything. I haven't seen a doctor in years and I'd like to keep it that way lol.
Then you are, quite frankly, a fool.

If your symptoms are real, and you haven't sought professional help, then you have a fool for a patient. You're probably not smarter than a doctor with relevant expertise, and it really looks to me like you are more invested in using your symptoms and self-daignosis as a convenient ideological shibboleth than you are in finding out what's wrong with you.

Go see a doctor before it gets worse.
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cufflink wrote:
Humane Hominid wrote:. . . my (now idle) blog
You're too impressive a writer and thinker for your blog to remain idle.
Aw shucks. Thanks.

I have moved on to other kinds of writing that I can hopefully start getting paid for in the near future. Plus, I felt like I was just repeating myself after a while on that blog, so I just left it there for later.
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Dudugs wrote:Everything makes sound when hurt, but do captive animals look sad? No, they look indifferent.
How would you know? You can't accurately interpret non-human communication without extensive study and experience.

Animals show emotion in ways that would be relevant to other members of their species. That you are not a member of their species and thus haven't evolved their form of communication does not mean animals don't communicate.

You may as well argue that Frenchmen don't actually speak, because you can't understand French.
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It's about time I find myself in this conversation, now them, shall I get on with the debunking?
Dudugs wrote:In all honesty, why not? Infact, I'm gonna make a nice list. Everybody loves lists, right?
  1. 1. Going vegan isn't going to stop animals from getting killed.
Please elaborate. In which way are they not going to stop from being killed? I'm going to assume that you mean they factory farming will continue, perhaps you're not familiar with the term "Supply and Demand"? The more vegan products that are being demanded are the more that non-vegan products are going to be put out of supply.
Dudugs wrote:
  • 2. I don't get bothered by eating meat. If someone killed a pig and handed over meat to meat I wouldn't probably eat it. Out of sight out of mind. It's the same thing with death for example. If someone makes an Holocaust joke I won't be bothered, but I see photos of dead jews and Aushwitz, I will cry my ass off.
So if a loved one was shot in the same room but you didn't notice it wouldn't matter to you? What kind of twisted reality do you live in where because you haven't witnessed something that automatically makes it easier for you to choke down the truth?
Dudugs wrote:
  • 3. It gives me energy. If I don't eat a good dose of daily meat I really don't get energy enough to trough to a day.
It seems as though you are not getting enough nutrients in your current diet to sustain a healthy body without the bodily parts of other animals.

Perhaps do some research on health and nutrition before trying to take on a diet that you may have little to no experience in. Also have you ever tried living a vegan diet?

Dudugs wrote:
  • 4. Captive life isn't that bad. As long as they have a good amount of food, a large space and good conditions their life is better in the wild, without worrying about predators and finding food.
Wait, so if I kidnapped you from your home, kept you in my basement and forced you to breed with others all for my profit gain, and on top of that tortured and abused you it would all be okay if I gave a suitable amount of food and a large space to live in? :?:
Dudugs wrote:
  • 5. The animals don't show emotions. Again out of sight, out of mind. I don't feel bad for the animals because they didn't look sad or suffering.
Did you know that dolphins always have smiles on their faces, even if their in pain? But maybe you don't sympathize to other species, I'll use humans as an example. If a boy is being bullied everyday and you knew about it, but they never showed any kind of sadness you would be okay with it?
I feel sympathy for any child that you bear.
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The scenario is that everybody goes vegan. Otherwise you can use the same fallacious reasoning for everything.
In order to see change, you have to change first. You can make a difference, even if little compared to the world.
There will never be a significant amount of vegans for major changes to happen.
That pig had to be kept captive and killed against his consent in order to be that meat you're eating, even if you didn't see it.
That pig is dead, bad luck for him, not eating him won't revive him.

You didn't answer my question.
If you don't have a healthy diet, don't blame it on veganism. I'm having all the energy I want.
You can have all the proteins and carbohydrates you want.
What works with you doesn't have to work with everyone.






What? Have you seen captive animals suffering? They seem no diferent than when my dog suffers. Their suffering isn't lower than animals who are not captive.

Please show me a video of captive animals suffer.
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Please elaborate. In which way are they not going to stop from being killed? I'm going to assume that you mean they factory farming will continue, perhaps you're not familiar with the term "Supply and Demand"? The more vegan products that are being demanded are the more that non-vegan products are going to be put out of supply.
Because there will never be a significant amount of vegans for major changes to happen.


So if a loved one was shot in the same room but you didn't notice it wouldn't matter to you? What kind of twisted reality do you live in where because you haven't witnessed something that automatically makes it easier for you to choke down the truth?
That pig is not a loved one. With that logic I should be sad and crying everytime someone dies, even though I don't see it.



Wait, so if I kidnapped you from your home, kept you in my basement and forced you to breed with others all for my profit gain, and on top of that tortured and abused you it would all be okay if I gave a suitable amount of food and a large space to live in? :?:
I said and I say again: good conditions.
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Dudugs wrote:There will never be a significant amount of vegans for major changes to happen.
Do you know how economy works? Less demand, less supplies. There are already more than 15% vegetarians in the world.
This alone is already changing the demand.
Dudugs wrote:That pig is dead, bad luck for him, not eating him won't revive him.
It's not bad luck, he had a death sentence since he was born.
Not eating him won't support other pigs being bred to be slaughtered.
Dudugs wrote:What works with you doesn't have to work with everyone.
Here you're at the point to use every possible excuse to find a justification to not go vegan. We even asked you to tell us what was your diet, you didn't respond. I don't know if there's a reason for me to keep arguing.
Again, if you have a balanced diet you'll have all the proteins and carbohydrates you want. It's that simple.
All the nutrients that give you 'energy' with an omnivore diet you can have with a vegan diet.
Dudugs wrote:Please show me a video of captive animals suffer.
There are many on Youtube. They're easy to find.
I suggest you watch Earthlings.
Dudugs wrote:I said and I say again: good conditions.
I said and I say again: there are major downsides (e.g. killing prematurely, stealing babies at birth, they're not free) and you don't settle the environmental issues.
Also, do you only buy from free-range farms?
Dudugs wrote:That pig is not a loved one. With that logic I should be sad and crying everytime someone dies, even though I don't see it.
Yes, it was loved by his family/friends. Do you think that animals don't feel love/affection?
There's no need to cry about it. It's useless. What you can do is change.
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Do you know how economy works? Less demand, less supplies. There are already more than 15% vegetarians in the world.
This alone is already changing the demand.
1 person won't change anything. I won't stop eating tasty meat just to save some piggies. I'm an omnivore for god's sake.


It's not bad luck, he had a death sentence since he was born.
Not eating him won't support other pigs being bred to be slaughtered.
It is bad luck that he had a death sentence since he was born.

The pigs are animals. You talk about them like they are humans. They are animals, they want to sleep, eat and mate. Call me heartless monster, but I'm a huamn, an animal at the top of the food chain and I'll very well act like one.
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Dudugs wrote:1 person won't change anything. I won't stop eating tasty meat just to save some piggies. I'm an omnivore for god's sake.
Then, seriously, why are you here?
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