Feminism

[PrincessPeach]

Most of them are, as you said genderbased preferences (women always gets the kids...) but there are things, that women get just for beeing the "weak" gender! a male rapist is going to be punished far harder than a female rapist!
those are extremes! I know that! But in general every women can get every job they want with nearly as high salery as men (men have been proven to make more money for a company. be it because women can get pregnant or because they get ill faster or whatever! i dont know!)

Well here in America, they are making men and woman pay the same amount in child support. It used to be that only the man had to pay child support well no no now the woman has to pay child support when that dad has the child and the man has to pay child support when the woman has the child...
It's not this way anymore: mom takes care of the kids all week dad gets them on weekend and pays for them all week... No if mom takes care of them all week dad helps pay for those five days and then when the kids are with dad on the weekends mom pays dad!


Getting pretty equal here in America...

Are you talking about a woman anal penetrating a man against his will?
That is the only way I see another female 'raping' a man...?

Really everything you say about male and female rights is not a matter of fact, it is only a matter of your opinion..


&& please tell me how it has been proven that men make more money than women for a company please and what companies are you getting these statistics from?

are you inferring that you are upset that women have almost equal pay in the job world then you?

but there are things, that women get just for beeing the "weak" gender!

!@#$%^&*???
lol

[brimstoneSalad]

Are you talking about a woman anal penetrating a man against his will?
That is the only way I see another female 'raping' a man...?

This is a popular misconception which is responsible for the disparity.

[PrincessPeach]

This is a popular misconception which is responsible for the disparity.

Perhaps a female room mate could walk in on another male room mate that is engaging in stimulating himself &&& if she was fast enough I am sure she could hop right on penetrate and rape on it!

Really?

A male could sneak into a females room while she is sleeping get an erection him self by himself and rape her by himself...


A female just couldn't do that...
A female could not get a flaccid %&#^@ in her ^&*(&^
A female could anal penetrate a man in his sleep, and that would be rape....
A female could not give a man an erection in his sleep with out him knowing, he would wake up realize a strange woman is there to rape him and well who knows what happens here but it doesn't get reported...

A man calling rape in most cases would be just like all those woman calling rape after regretting whom they've slept with... but don't forget this is all just IMO

[brimstoneSalad]

Perhaps a female room mate could walk in on another male room mate that is engaging in stimulating himself &&& if she was fast enough I am sure she could hop right on penetrate and rape on it![...]
A female just couldn't do that...
A female could not get a flaccid %&#^@ in her ^&*(&^

That's not how it works.

I'm not sure if I want to go into the details of male reproductive anatomy, but even straight men have erections AND ejaculate when they are raped - even by other men in a violent attack.
Women may also orgasm when raped.

Many men get "worried" that they're gay after such an attack, and don't report it out of shame.
The same thing goes in the case of women attacking and raping men (more often in groups, or while they're drugged or drunk). One report of it was at gunpoint.

Men and women both often feel a sense of culpability in the act because they may have experienced an organism during the event (although the event was traumatic and violent).

Those things are largely automatic, not conscious indications of consent or enjoyment.
It's like flinching and withdrawing your hand from a hot burner.

[PrincessPeach]

That's not how it works.

I'm not sure if I want to go into the details of male reproductive anatomy, but even straight men have erections AND ejaculate when they are raped - even by other men in a violent attack.
Women may also orgasm when raped.

Many men get "worried" that they're gay after such an attack, and don't report it out of shame.
The same thing goes in the case of women attacking and raping men (more often in groups, or while they're drugged or drunk). One report of it was at gunpoint.

Men and women both often feel a sense of culpability in the act because they may have experienced an organism during the event (although the event was traumatic and violent).

Those things are largely automatic, not conscious indications of consent or enjoyment.
It's like flinching and withdrawing your hand from a hot burner.

Since when did having an orgasm have anything to do with getting raped?
I could stick a finger up some ones butt unwillingly for just a second, and well that is considered rape!
Artificial insemination IMO is also considered rape..
A man could rape anyone or anything with his $%^&, male, female, child, horse, cow, w.e...

Thankfully most women don't have to rape, if they want sex they usually can get it or find something to satisfy their urges with...
I find it highly unlikely that females would group together for the soul purpose to rape men..


I think women(&men) need to loosen their moral views on sex, and stop being so prissy when it comes to sex, if women weren't so worried about being called whores for how many sexual partners they have, they wouldn't be calling rape as much, and men wouldn't need to rape as much..
I read just here on the forums of someone expressing joy because he now has 'sexual freedom',
As a woman I can't really rejoice in that kind of 'freedom' because even here in the states it's still not sociably acceptable for a woman to go around fuckin but a man can with out much social repercussion..

[Kanade]

I think Peach has not yet realized that erection does not equal consent.

[Kanade]

Semantics over the term feminism aside. I've never liked terms that are exclusive to one specific gender (Feminism for women's right, MRA for men's right) it feels like you're only making it an "us vs them" mentality where the gender rights are not mutual.

I think all in all humanism (or personism for the Singer fans out there) is the best way to include the rights of everyone regardless of what they are born as.

i do not agree. is an animal activist creating an us vs them mentality? of course not. are people who advocated to end slavery creating an us vs them mentality? no. most social justice movements in the last century have taken a name that is reliant to the minority they represent. feminism is no different. if you are arguing that they should fight under the name gender equalities you are misunderstanding a set sub-set relationship.

You are relying on a false analogy. The difference between ending slavery and feminism is that slave abolitionists support the ending of slavery of EVERYONE. Therefor there is no us vs them mentality. If there where people who supported slave abolition for women but couldn't give a shit about men then yes that would be an us vs them mentality.

Fact that feminism is not a sub-set of equality. Because equality is about opposing discrimination of both sexes, not just women.

[PrincessPeach]

I think Peach has not yet realized that erection does not equal consent.

The circumstances for a female to be able to rape a male IMO are very unlikely
I guess it really could happen but it's the anatomy thing, a female doesn't have anything protruding out her body that she can stick into other things to make her feel good.. Male humans do and some men choose to rape, whether it's another male, or a female, age, even species, the man in almost all cases chooses whether or not he is going to penetrate another sentient being with his sexual organ.

For a man to say that he was raped or did not consent to sex by a female well, I find it hard to believe, why not exert force and remove her from yourself if you don't want to partake unless of course the circumstances prevented you to do that? If you caved in and slept with her anyways even though you didn't want to, well it's not rape it's a decision you regret doing although it might make one feel better about themselves to claim them selves as a victim of rape, it really makes it hard for real victims of rape to be taken seriously in court, wonder why so many rape claims get denied in court in the U.S, that 'victim' does not feel any better probably worse, and probably should stop self loathing in the first place and then for the accused well their life is completely fucked now or they are in jail/prison because some one wanted to make a non violent rape claim because they feel embarrassed or ashamed about engaging in a sexual activity with another person..?

Interestingly enough I looked up the crime rates in America compared to crime rates in the Netherlands because in the Netherlands I know prostitution is legal and there are open drug laws illcit drug use is legal (clinics for heroin addicts) and I wanted to get a comparison
[urlhttp://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compa ... ates/Crime[/url]

I see that America ranked number 1 in violent crime rapes, 55 more times than the Netherlands

America ranked 9 per violent crime rapes per million people, the Netherlands ranked 25th

but
rape victims are twice as much in the Netherlands
America is 0.4% and the Netherlands is at 0.8%

Would this be because the population of the Netherlands is much less when compared to the U.S ..?

Point of this ? Crime rates and rape rates would most likely drop dramatically if certain crimes and certain human acts were legalized yet regulated..

[thebestofenergy]

I guess it really could happen but it's the anatomy thing, a female doesn't have anything protruding out her body that she can stick into other things to make her feel good..

Why would it require to have something protruding?
A female can have pleasure, and she can force herself on someone without having anything that she can 'stick' into other things.

For a man to say that he was raped or did not consent to sex by a female well, I find it hard to believe, why not exert force and remove her from yourself if you don't want to partake unless of course the circumstances prevented you to do that?

For a woman to say that she was raped or did not consent to sex by a male well, I find it hard to believe, why not exert force and remove him from yourself if you don't want to partake unless of course the circumstances prevented you to do that?

See the problem? The scenario that a man is stronger than a woman is not always the case - in fact, in most of the cases, the victim is not capable of defending him/herself - and, like you said, the circumscatnces can prevent you to defend yourself.

[PrincessPeach]

Why would it require to have something protruding?
A female can have pleasure, and she can force herself on someone without having anything that she can 'stick' into other things.

Well in order for it to be considered rape penetration has to happen to the sexual organs (vagina or ass hole)
(rape is not only for sexual stimulation there could be other emotions tied to the act usually extreme anger)
Since men do not walk around with their genitalia out unless they live in a nudist colony (people in those colonies live with a respected code of ethics )
It is so unlikely for a woman to rape another man.. Really come on I don't really want to explain any more..

For a man to say that he was raped or did not consent to sex by a female well, I find it hard to believe, why not exert force
and remove her from yourself if you don't want to partake unless of course the circumstances prevented you to do that?

For a woman to say that she was raped or did not consent to sex by a male well, I find it hard to believe, why not exert force and remove him from yourself if you don't want to partake unless of course the circumstances prevented you to do that?

See the problem? The scenario that a man is stronger than a woman is not always the case - in fact, in most of the cases, the victim is not capable of defending him/herself - and, like you said, the circumscatnces can prevent you to defend yourself.

If the victim (regardless of gender)was not able to defend them selves enough to get away but did try to get away we would see marks on the victim from resisting the physical attack, if some one is trying to fuck you and you are trying to get away I would think that there would be some sort of bruising or nail marks some sort of evidence leading one to believe there was a struggle...
This would be at least some sort of physical evidence of an un-wanted attack that would help defend the victims claim of rape
but what goes on all ways men/men men/female female/female is
"we started fooling around and then I said NO but he/she stuck it in me anyways but I didn't want it I said no "
it just doesn't really work out that way


Brutal rape attacks will have some sort of evidence left behind other than word of mouth,
word of mouth rape claims give alll the real victims of real rape a very difficult time to be taken seriously..

Let men and women pay for sex or receive payment for sex if they want it, as a society let's stop looking down upon men and women our natural desires to indulge in sexual fantasies/pleasures .. This will also help in dropping the false rape claims and strengthening the real claims of rape and helping real victims not people that just want to play victim for sympathy purposes