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teo123 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:11 am Ideas for computer games (or almost any kind of program) are abundant.
Ideas about what should be made are usually worthless. Because, first of all, you can't really know if something is a good idea until somebody realizes it. Even then it can be hard to tell, yet alone before. I came up with an idea for and developed a flashcard game about linguistics. Is it worth to continue developing it? Who knows?
You quite clearly have no passion for this game you have created. If you did, then you would want to pursue it at all costs. Since you have no passion for it, I suggest you give up. Pac-Man, as I have stated, is a work of art. That work of art was born out of passion. This is the case with all works of art. Do you think that Michelangelo painted the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel halfheartedly? Do you think that Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet out of sheer boredom? Do you think that Charlie Chaplin wrote The Great Dictator without caring if it would inspire people? Do you think that Mozart composed Leck mich im Arsch without having any worries whatsoever as to whether his music would bring joy to people? Do you think that Jim Davis made the first Garfield comic without believing that his purpose in life was to bring laughter and joy into this cold dark world? Of course not! They all created great works of art because they had passion! In my experience, computer scientists have no artistic creativity and as a result, have no passion. Their lives are dominated by numbers and code, and so anything other than numbers and code is alien to them. When they die, the inscriptions on their tombstones will probably be in binary.

I think it is very rare that computer scientists will ever be inspired by anything. I remember recently hearing about an announcement made by Angela Rayner, the Shadow Secretary of Education in the United Kingdom, that she was planning to run for Deputy Leader of the British Labour Party. I know for a fact that she is intensely passionate about her campaign, which is why her message is one of optimism and hope. I am inspired by her campaign. I cannot imagine any computer scientists feeling the same way. Why? Because in my experience, computer scientists do not live in the real world but in the world of computers. No passion. No goals. No hope. I think that the great Alan Turing would be spinning in his grave if he could see how many computer scientists are behaving.

I shall conclude with a quote from Roald Dahl: " I began to realize how important it was to be an enthusiast in life. He taught me that if you are interested in something, no matter what it is, go at it at full speed ahead. Embrace it with both arms, hug it, love it and above all become passionate about it. Lukewarm is no good. Hot is no good either. White hot and passionate is the only thing to be."
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Anyway, @Red, @EquALLity, Do you agree with me that Angela Rayner, Shadow Secretary of Education in the United Kingdom, should be the Deputy Leader of the British Labour Party?
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JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:15 pm Anyway, @Red, @EquALLity, Do you agree with me that Angela Rayner, Shadow Secretary of Education in the United Kingdom, should be the Deputy Leader of the British Labour Party?
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Red wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:16 pm
JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:15 pm Anyway, @Red, @EquALLity, Do you agree with me that Angela Rayner, Shadow Secretary of Education in the United Kingdom, should be the Deputy Leader of the British Labour Party?
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Why not?
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JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:17 pm
Red wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:16 pm
JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:15 pm Anyway, @Red, @EquALLity, Do you agree with me that Angela Rayner, Shadow Secretary of Education in the United Kingdom, should be the Deputy Leader of the British Labour Party?
No.
Why not?
I don't want a Baraminologist in such a high position.
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Red wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:33 pm
JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:17 pm
Red wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:16 pm
No.
Why not?
I don't want a Baraminologist in such a high position.
She isn't a baraminologist.
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JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:40 pm
Red wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:33 pm
JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:17 pm
Why not?
I don't want a Baraminologist in such a high position.
She isn't a baraminologist.
Prove it.
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Red wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:42 pm
JReg wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:40 pm
Red wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:33 pm
I don't want a Baraminologist in such a high position.
She isn't a baraminologist.
Prove it.
The USSR was just state capitalism and we shouldn't be supporting it. Besides, a little bit of capitalism can actually be used to serve the people. While we should have a government to help people out, it's not really reasonable to be praising places like North Korea and China. Maybe as a long term goal we can work towards some kind of communism but revolting now would just lead to more famine and bloodshed. We start by socialising the economy and then we move outwards from there. Just because I'm less extreme than you doesn't mean I don't have values.
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JReg wrote:That work of art was born out of passion.
And out of a desire for money. That's why the great artists in history worked. Michelangelo painted because, back then, you could make money by painting. And by painting in that particular style, not something which people wouldn't like and pay him for. Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet because he owned a theatre and he needed to make it profitable so that he wouldn't go bankrupt, so he was writing plays which people back then would like. Modern art is so bad because artists these days generally don't make money by pleasing people.
Sure, most of those artists had some passion, otherwise they wouldn't be able to devote so much of their time to that. They most likely developed the passion after working for some time.
JReg wrote:In my experience, computer scientists have no artistic creativity and as a result, have no passion. Their lives are dominated by numbers and code, and so anything other than numbers and code is alien to them. When they die, the inscriptions on their tombstones will probably be in binary.
OK, first, don't you think coming up with a new algorithm takes some creativity?
Second, what makes you think computer scientists are more likely to be like that than, for instance, physicists or mathematicians are? Ernest Rutherford said that all science is either physics or stamp collecting, implying that all the sciences except physics were useless.
Third, what makes you think I am not interested in anything but computer science? I am also interested in linguistics and literature and countless other things. I also think you don't know what studying arts actually means. Studying literature, as an example of an art, means asking questions such as this one. True arts generally like objectivity and questions that can actually be answered.
JReg wrote:He taught me that if you are interested in something, no matter what it is, go at it at full speed ahead.
Well, I think that's a terrible advice, and it can only seem to be a good advice if you don't take the survivorship bias into account. Sometimes we suck at what we like doing (How many people like singing, and think they are good at singing, but they don't actually sing well?), just to name one problem with that.

By the way, @JReg, you would be the right person to answer that question, what do Serbian leftists think of Vukovar Revisionism? I've expressed my views about it here.
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teo123 wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:16 pm Modern art is so bad because artists these days generally don't make money by pleasing people.
So let me get this straight: Art nowadays can be stuff like a bunch of paint splattered on a canvass and literal urine and faeces, and yet you believe that this is acceptable, because it makes money? So you have absolutely no appreciation for art and beauty, only for money? Wow. Just wow. You know what? After hearing that, it does not surprise me at all that you would refer to Pac-Man so nonchalantly as "just a game"! It's now obvious that you have no appreciation for art whatsoever. However, this shouldn't surprise me as computer scientists tend to hate art and prefer selfish profiteering instead.

What I'd like to know is why there is such an open hostility to art amongst computer scientists. I think I know why. I believe that it is because in works of art, there is always a great deal of truth about the real world in them. The works of Shakespeare are said to contain every human emotion in them, showing how fiction is not the opposite of fact, but rather an illumination of fact. However, the vast majority of computer scientists hate facts and prefer to deceive.

I once got into an argument with a computer scientist who claimed that the current Mayor of New York City, Bill de Blasio, was the 99th Mayor of New York City. When I pointed out that Bill de Blasio is in fact the 109th Mayor of New York City, and that the 99th Mayor of New York City was Fiorello H. La Guardia, the computer scientist immediately became enraged. He tackled me to the ground and started violently punching me repeatedly in the face until I became unconscious. When I awoke, I found out to my horror that he had urinated on me.

This is not the only incident where a computer scientist has became infuriated by facts. Once, I explained to another computer scientist that in the film Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, the character Grand Moff Tarkin, who had appeared in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, makes a brief cameo towards the end of the film. After I had said this, the computer scientist's face turned a shade of bright purple and she immediately began yelling the n word repeatedly. She would not stop, even after I informed her that it was racist to say the n word. Then, she explained that she was a TERF and that she worshiped Graham Linehan, before immediately yelling the n word over and over again.

I could list many, many more instances where computer scientists I have met have had outbursts caused by me telling them facts. However, I'm sure that anybody with a modicum of intelligence can see that most computer scientists are allergic to facts. That is why they hate art and prefer to live lives dominated by lies, fear and sexual perversions.

Just to conclude, I'd like to briefly respond to your point about Vukovar revisionism. I think it is either a very ill-informed view or that you are knowingly promoting lies in order to promote bigotry against Croatians. I'd encourage you to think long and hard about your actions.
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