Fat Acceptance

[Red]

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about (don't watch if you don't want cancer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akPb_Bvor0A&feature=youtu.be

Sorry if I haven't been participating in this thread and just posting videos like Turbanator, but I don't really know what to add.

[Red]

Don't mind me I'm just reviving a semi-old thread.

Hey guys, I've been thinking, and while being fat is unhealthy and can lead to many diseases and shit, just because you're skinny doesn't necessarily mean you're healthy. I mean sure, you're healthier, but still may not be healthy.

For instance, let's take some 31 year old douche with a level 1000 metabolism, and we'll call him Chris. Chris eats whatever his heart desires, and knowing he has a high metabolism, doesn't bother exercising, because why should he? So he stuffs with face with Surge, junk food, triple bacon cheeseburgers with chicken and chilidogseseses (5 of them) plus, onion rings. Guy's a pig. This mother fucker brags about it to his friends, and when they bring up losing weight, he always brings up his metabolism levels.

However, one day In Da Club, some heavyset-person, we'll call him Rich From ReviewTechUSA, is hitting on his ho. They exchange a few heated words, then Chris is all like "You wanna throw down brah? I'll throw down!", then the bartender was like "Take it outside, nimrods", and then Chris, all haughty and shit, thought he could beat this fat mother fucker. Much to his surprise, he was pummeled by Rich From ReviewTechUSA. Then Chris is all like "How could I lose?" then I tell him, "Because you don't work out, you don't build any muscle mass, thus making you a scrawny little bitch." Needless to say he told me to go fuck myself and go

Then, a few weeks later, after chugging a 6-pack of surge and eating half of a party-sized deep dish pizza in one sitting, he starts to feel his heart melting. He is rushed to the hospital by his 6/10 wife, and the doctor told him some shit about his heart. The next day, he realizes he has not only type-1 diabetes, but constipation, diarrhea, high blood pressure, fatigue, loss in appetite, the lost goes on. Needless to say, he didn't live much longer.

So, there is why you should always work out.

[miniboes]

There's also a less visible factor; disease. You can be skinny and still have clogged arteries due to high cholesterol levels. You can be skinny and still developed cancer through smoking. You can be skinny and still get alzheimer's disease, however it's caused (i suspect it does have some correlations to saturated fat or mineral overdose). Being fat is an obvious sign of bad health, but far from the only (or best) indicator.

[brimstoneSalad]

Working out won't fully compensate for a bad diet. I think that's why we're seeing so many bodybuilders and weightlifters going vegan; due to the amount they eat, they feel a much bigger difference in switching to plant protein sources.

In terms of how much you actually need to work out, there are apparently sharply diminishing returns after an hour or so of brisk walking a day (or the equivalent in modest amounts of strength training). Most people who workout seem to overdo it.

Beyond the point of diminishing returns, if you ate more junk food and worked out more, you would be harming your longterm health in the process. Burning the candle at both ends.

That said, vegan bodybuilders are awesome, and I think it's an important form of outreach. I just don't think bodybuilding is healthy in general.

[Red]

Working out won't fully compensate for a bad diet.

Well I know that, but he probably would have some muscle mass. Right?

In terms of how much you actually need to work out, there are apparently sharply diminishing returns after an hour or so of brisk walking a day (or the equivalent in modest amounts of strength training). Most people who workout seem to overdo it.

So too much exercise is bad?

Beyond the point of diminishing returns, if you ate more junk food and worked out more, you would be harming your longterm health in the process. Burning the candle at both ends.

Well eating healthy is the main contributor to health, which is obvious.

[miniboes]

In terms of how much you actually need to work out, there are apparently sharply diminishing returns after an hour or so of brisk walking a day (or the equivalent in modest amounts of strength training). Most people who workout seem to overdo it.

So too much exercise is bad?

No, diminishing returns means that at a certain point the value that you get out of an activity for the effort/time you put in begins to drop. It doesn't become bad, but it becomes less helpful. In this case, after an hour or so of brisk walking, the health benefits you get for each minute of walking begin to decrease. Whenever I think of diminishing returns, I see this graph (well, something like the upper one) in my mind's eye:



(the above explanation is how the term is applied to all sorts of things, but it is originally an economic term with a more narrow definition)

"A common sort of example is adding more workers to a job, such as assembling a car on a factory floor. At some point, adding more workers causes problems such as workers getting in each other's way or frequently finding themselves waiting for access to a part. In all of these processes, producing one more unit of output per unit of time will eventually cost increasingly more, due to inputs being used less and less effectively"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

[brimstoneSalad]

So too much exercise is bad?

What miniboes said is right about how diminishing returns work, but exercise also requires you to consume more calories to keep it up, and just due to the process of digesting and metabolizing food energy, damage is done to the body. Free radicals build up, cells wear down and have to replicate resulting in DNA damage (exercise means even more of this). Even if you ate a perfect food with no overt carcinogens, no saturated fat, etc. it would still do some damage over time (just much less).

Basically, all food is "poisonous" to varying degrees. Vegan food is just much better than animal based food. But nothing is perfect.

Exercising more means eating more and burning that energy, which is a process of burning the candle (or telomeres and other ageing metrics) at both ends.

Well eating healthy is the main contributor to health, which is obvious.

Also, eating less. You should eat enough that you can maintain a BMI of about 22 (or at least between 18.5 and 25) in addition to getting about an hour (or two at most) of moderate physical activity every day.

http://www.livescience.com/50386-exercise-recommendations-longevity.html

This explains it well.

People who got some exercise, but not enough to meet the physical activity recommendations were still 20 percent less likely to die over a 14-year period than those who did not do any physical activity. (The recommendations say to do 150 minutes of moderate activity per week or 75 minutes of vigorous activity per week.)

People who engaged in the recommended level of physical activity saw even more benefit: They were 31 percent less likely to die during the study period, compared with those who did not engage in any physical activity. [7 Common Exercise Errors and How to Fix Them]

But doing a lot more activity than that did not provide much added benefit. The maximum benefit was seen among people who engaged in three to five times the recommended levels of physical activity; they were 39 percent less likely to die over the study period than people who did no exercise. Engaging in more exercise than this was not linked with any additional benefit.

150 minutes = 2.5 hours.
2.5 hours * 3 = 7.5 hours (or about an hour a day [slightly over])
2.5 hours * 5 = 12.5 hours (almost two hours a day)

If your activity is vigorous, you can cut the time in half. But... you also increase your chance of injury. Swimming is a good choice, though, with a very low risk of injury or harm to joints.

[miniboes]

Also, eating less. You should eat enough that you can maintain a BMI of about 22 (or at least between 18.5 and 25) in addition to getting about an hour (or two at most) of moderate physical activity every day.

That reminds me of a question I have. I have a BMI of 20.8, which is healthy. However, I have visible excess fat in my belly and thighs. Should I still be restricting calories, or is it a better approach to just work on building muscle instead?

[brimstoneSalad]

Also, eating less. You should eat enough that you can maintain a BMI of about 22 (or at least between 18.5 and 25) in addition to getting about an hour (or two at most) of moderate physical activity every day.

That reminds me of a question I have. I have a BMI of 20.8, which is healthy. However, I have visible excess fat in my belly and thighs. Should I still be restricting calories, or is it a better approach to just work on building muscle instead?

It's probably more loose skin than fat.
Work on building muscle. Body fat is not unhealthy unless you are overweight.

[Red]

No, diminishing returns means that at a certain point the value that you get out of an activity for the effort/time you put in begins to drop. It doesn't become bad, but it becomes less helpful. In this case, after an hour or so of brisk walking, the health benefits you get for each minute of walking begin to decrease.

So what you're saying is, the more you exercise in one session, the less effective it becomes after a certain period of time?