Post a poem

[EquALLity]

I thought she was a vegetarian ? The link is dead what's up with this ?

The link is dead? Let me try again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqLMirF6Z6E

Yeah, she is a vegetarian, just not vegan.

I thought she should have given it up by now. Most people don't stay vegetarian for more than a year or two.

She still is a vegetarian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61ZgjPN3is

Definitely not a vegan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwklrfiGP_s

I think she just forgot about the issue. She hasn't made a video about it in around 2 years.

[EquALLity]

Hey guys, I was away for a few days.
I know, you all really missed me.

I went on a writing retreat and wrote some poems, so I can finally post some stuff here (I'm only like a year late, and the topic creator is banned- which btw I think we should give her another chance given how long it's been).

Anyway, want to see?

[brimstoneSalad]

She can always register another account.

Anyway, want to see?

Sure. I should note that by default I consider all poetry to be bad unless it's funny or at least punny and rhymes with relatively strict meter.
I can't really take poetry seriously.

[Red]

Why?

[EquALLity]

She can always register another account.

The way that system works makes no sense.

If you want to ban a user, ban a user. If people can just make new accounts whenever they want, what is even the purpose of banning?
In most places, trying to circumvent bans leads to further punishment, so most people won't make another account. Only trolls will.

And if she can just make a new account, why not just un-ban her original account? For all intents and purposes there's no difference between what you're doing now and what I'm suggesting (from your perspective).

Sure. I should note that by default I consider all poetry to be bad unless it's funny or at least punny and rhymes with relatively strict meter.
I can't really take poetry seriously.

Of course you do.
For some reason, this doesn't surprise me.

I don't understand why you don't apply the same standard to art. Or, conventional art- poetry essentially is art.
Or books. Do you find no value in literature?

[miniboes]

I enjoy poetry even less than brimstone does. I have literally never found a single poem compelling. Unless you want to call song lyrics poetry, in which case I do enjoy some poetry (Bob Dylan got a nobel prize for literature and I like his stuff..).

[brimstoneSalad]

And if she can just make a new account, why not just un-ban her original account? For all intents and purposes there's no difference between what you're doing now and what I'm suggesting (from your perspective).

If she can't admit that she was wrong to violate the rules, she's just going to repeat the behavior. I think she got herself banned on purpose, though.
She can pretend to be a new person if she makes a new account. There's nothing we can do to stop that. She was bound by pride to refuse to admit wrongdoing there, maybe a new alias will be free of that. I don't think she wanted to be here anymore, though. I'd rather not discuss her problems in public, there are things you do not know about the situation.

Of course you do.
For some reason, this doesn't surprise me.

I don't understand why you don't apply the same standard to art. Or, conventional art- poetry essentially is art.
Or books. Do you find no value in literature?

The value in art is its effect. Poetry tends to be viewed as pretentious if it isn't sarcastic or funny. Classical art and literature have more leeway, particularly because they are more involved to create. Modern art can be pretty pretentious too, though, and I apply the same standard there.

I'm interested in how any medium can affect people positively. I don't think poetry has that much potential in and of itself. As part of music it can be more powerful, but it's really difficult to avoid the cringe-factor without humor.

[EquALLity]

And if she can just make a new account, why not just un-ban her original account? For all intents and purposes there's no difference between what you're doing now and what I'm suggesting (from your perspective).

If she can't admit that she was wrong to violate the rules, she's just going to repeat the behavior. I think she got herself banned on purpose, though.
She can pretend to be a new person if she makes a new account. There's nothing we can do to stop that. She was bound by pride to refuse to admit wrongdoing there, maybe a new alias will be free of that. I don't think she wanted to be here anymore, though. I'd rather not discuss her problems in public, there are things you do not know about the situation.

Of course you do.
For some reason, this doesn't surprise me.

I don't understand why you don't apply the same standard to art. Or, conventional art- poetry essentially is art.
Or books. Do you find no value in literature?

The value in art is its effect. Poetry tends to be viewed as pretentious if it isn't sarcastic or funny. Classical art and literature have more leeway, particularly because they are more involved to create. Modern art can be pretty pretentious too, though, and I apply the same standard there.

I'm interested in how any medium can affect people positively. I don't think poetry has that much potential in and of itself. As part of music it can be more powerful, but it's really difficult to avoid the cringe-factor without humor.

She'd repeat the behavior if she made a new account, too.

I don't agree that it was about pride. She's admitted being wrong before- I think that if the conversation went differently or went on longer that she would've conceded the point.

She wanted to leave? Then there's no reason for you to ban her.
I really doubt she banned herself on purpose. Nobody was forcing her to post, she could've just left on her own.

Poetry-
Just because something is arbitrarily considered pretentious doesn't mean that it actually is. You're basically admitting that it's arbitrary when you say that song lyrics can work but poetry can't.
There's no actual difference between singing words and speaking them in terms of meaning, so it's inconsistent to consider one more pretentious and not take it seriously.

In terms of activism, I was sort of aware of the connotation of poetry being pretentious, but I don't think it is as common a viewpoint as you seem to think. Modern art is like the poster-child for pretentious art. I think most people just think poetry is kind of boring.

[brimstoneSalad]

There are things I can't discuss, so I can't respond to that.

Poetry-
Just because something is arbitrarily considered pretentious doesn't mean that it actually is. You're basically admitting that it's arbitrary when you say that song lyrics can work but poetry can't.

There is not really a substance of goodness or badness to these things. They are good or bad based on their consequences. The perception and opinion of the target audience is a big part of that.

There's no actual difference between singing words and speaking them in terms of meaning, so it's inconsistent to consider one more pretentious and not take it seriously.

Sure there is. Singing takes more effort, talent, composition, etc.
Singing can be bad too, but most people can recognize if something is off key, and they don't pay enough attention to the lyrics to find them pretentious (or the music makes up for it, or backs up the claim to talent and quality that the lyrics make pretense to).

In terms of activism, I was sort of aware of the connotation of poetry being pretentious, but I don't think it is as common a viewpoint as you seem to think. Modern art is like the poster-child for pretentious art. I think most people just think poetry is kind of boring.

Maybe, either way the trick to overcoming that is usually to make them laugh.

[miniboes]

Music also adds a lot to its lyrics by supplying it with sounds that trigger emotions. For me, the alignment of music and lyrics is what makes a great song (if the song has lyrics, that is, I also like some instrumental stuff). The emotional expression of the singer also matters a lot. Some examples include the sudden roughness in Freddie Mercury's voice in 'Bohemian Rhapsody' when he sings 'gotta leave you all behind and face the truth', the bitterness in Tim McIlrath's (vegan!) voice in 'Hero of War' or the brokenness of Johnny Cash in 'Hurt'.

(Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DboMAghWcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywSzjRq0e4)