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Re: Existential questions raised in 'Rick and Morty'

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:07 pm
by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
SPOILERS! DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE FIRST EPISODE OF SEASON 3 OF RICK AND MORTY YET!




























What does everybody think of the first episode of Season 3? I am very shocked by that fact that Rick's motivations are based solely on a McDonald's sauce! I knew he was crazy but I did not know that he was this crazy! The man is a maniac, how he could so craftily organize the divorce of Morty's parents! It is arguable he has psychopathic tendencies. Anyway, I nevertheless look forward to watching the rest of the series! It is one of my favourite shows!! :)

Re: Existential questions raised in 'Rick and Morty'

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:35 pm
by NonZeroSum
What does everybody think of the first episode of Season 3?
Amazing, so happy it's back!
I am very shocked by that fact that Rick's motivations are based solely on a McDonald's sauce!
"that's just their funny way of saying that most [fan] theories won't pan out."

Rick and Morty Season 3 Episode 1 - Morty Slowly Becoming A Rick Theory 4K HD
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIIYVbmkRDo
I knew he was crazy but I did not know that he was this crazy! The man is a maniac, how he could so craftily organize the divorce of Morty's parents!
I know right? It's funny actually the divorce was planned way back in season 1 as they dropped a vague spoiler in an episode writers commentary, that even though it was fun to play off of their own parents quirky relationships they wanted to switch it up so it didn't get stale.
It is arguable he has psychopathic tendencies.
Yerp it's a common theme of the show, when you have god-like genius you become an agent of chaos for good or bad depending on how able you are to keep your emotions in check. They broached the same idea in a developers concept meeting
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z91-IgdO1Wk

This was a favorite theme of another great show House MD, where people had to facilitate and regulate his genius in equal measure, yet if others tried to follow in the risks he took they would cause more harm than good.
Anyway, I nevertheless look forward to watching the rest of the series! It is one of my favourite shows!! :)
Me too! I'd love to read more about what you like about the philosophies in the show or funny moments in different episodes as it comes to you [Di]Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz[y] :P

Re: Existential questions raised in 'Rick and Morty'

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:06 pm
by NonZeroSum
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Rick and Morty: The Philosophy of Szechuan Sauce – Wisecrack Edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXsj_7n4aWY

Wub-a-lub-a-dub-dub Wisecrack, Jared here. You've probably noticed the internet has blown up talking about the season premiere of Rick and Morty The Rickshank Redemption. But rather than focusing on the fact that Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon pulled off quite possibly the greatest anti-April Fool's prank of all time, everyone can't stop talking about that sweet Szechuan dipping sauce.

Is the show doing something more profound than invoking a totally random promotional condiment from the Clinton era? Absolutely. And we’re here to break it down for you.

Welcome to this Wisecrack Edition on the Philosophy of Szechuan Sauce.

We’ve talked about the existential themes in Rick and Morty before. Between Rick's creations despairing over their existence [what is my purpose? You pass butter. Oh my god. Yeah welcome to the club], a persistent resentment towards one's creators [Lincoln/Hitler cross clone: Rick you brought me into this world, the suffering abomination...] and Morty's unique life philosophy [Morty: Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybodys going to die], they’re not exactly hiding it.

The show has also dabbled in a sort of relative to existentialism known as “Absurdism.” According to French philosopher Albert Camus, we live a cruel and absurd existence. Humans are cursed with seeking meaning in a universe that will remain forever silent, and the image of a guy pushing a boulder up a mountain for all eternity is the perfect metaphor for the human condition.

In the spirit of Camus, Rick and Morty paints an absurd, meaningless multi-verse. Rick, accordingly, has a long history of trivializing everything [Nothing you do matters, your existence is a lie!]. He doesn't believe in things like love [what people call love is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed] or tradition [well scientifically, tradition is an idiot thing]. Rick's companionship with Morty is, allegedly, only a means for Rick to hide his genius brain waves from the government.

In the Rickshank Redemption, we see similar themes, the arbitrary nature of our social systems [wait who's paying me to yell at this guy? I can answer that, for money!], mocking sentimentality [we have infinite grandkids, you're trying to use Disney bucks at a Caesar's palace], and the pointlessness of it all [well when you're not sure what you do for a living, you can make your own rules]. That we live in a meaningless world is an idea held by both absurdism and existentialism, but the transition from the end of season 2 to the premiere of season 3 really solidifies Rick and Morty as an "absurd" work [he's a spy, blow him up, I'm going to go take a shit]. It does so by dangling meaning and hope in front of us, only to rip it to shreds.

Something notable happens at the end of season 2. Rick takes a break from his sociopathic shenanigans to have an authentic, heartfelt moment at Birdperson's wedding [Birdperson is my best friend and well if he loves Tammy then I love Tammy too, to friendship, to love and to my greatest adventure yet, opening myself up to others]. But the show undercuts it when we learn that Tammy is a spy. What makes this part special is that Rick's flirtation with being a normal, caring, person is undercut by an outside force, not his own cynicism.

This is further explored at the end of the episode. After the family is forced into hiding from the Galactic Federation, Rick overhears the hardships he has created for them. In a moment of seeming anguish, Rick turns himself over to the federation [I'm doing what's right for the galaxy by calling you, so if we come back to earth, can my family have a normal life?], and will likely spend the rest of his days in prison. In sacrificing himself, the finale suggests Rick is wrestling with something he's never dealt with, living with meaning.

Given complete knowledge of the meaninglessness of love, life, etc, he chose to do right by his family regardless. The cliffhanger teases a possible shift in the show’s existential themes. This idea, of creating meaning in a meaningless world, is one championed by many existentialists, but firmly rejected by Camus.

This crossroads for the show parallels a beef Camus had with a particular thinker, one who regularly contributes to my existential angst boners - Fyodor Dostoevsky. Camus writes that authors, like Dostoevsky, often propose absurd worlds with characters who understand the frivolity of life, only to chicken out and retreat to the comfort of meaning- like religion n' shit.

Dostoevsky's problem, for Camus, is that he offers a reply to the absurd - some form of meaning - whereas "an absurd work, on the contrary, does not provide a reply." Existentialists like Jean-Paul Sartre or Dostoevsky may realize the absurdity of existence, but their analysis fails by resorting to hope, or trying to create meaning. Camus said of them "they deify what crushes them and find reason to hope in what impoverishes them."

At the end of season 2, we may have thought the show would make a similar retreat into meaning and sentimentality, but with the release of The Rickshank Redemption, we now know this is not the case at all. Instead, it doubles down on the absurd. Not only was Rick's imprisonment a ploy [why would Rick Sanchez hand himself in? Well I'm just a dumb ass bug, but it's possible Rick knew he'd be interrogated at this facility where we not only keep our most wanted, but also our most sensitive data], but the show replies to our prospect of a humanized Rick with a journey that will be darker than ever [oh it gets darker Morty, welcome to the darkest year of our adventures].

And if just to fuck with us even more, much of Rickshanks's comedy is not derived from joking about life's meaningless like in previous episodes, but rather, the jokes are largely derived from our ATTEMPT to draw meaning [to the day it all began, and ended, the moment that changed everything]. For example, when Rick explores the memory of him creating the portal gun, we learn that Beth and Diane were brutally murdered - turning Rick from a family man to a deranged loner scientist - your typical tragic Walter White-style anti-hero origin story that would give meaning to his madness. This baits the audience to empathize with Rick - But the joke's on you- it's all a ruse [True but you can alter anything you like about a totally fabricated origin story].

So it's not just that Rick and Morty evades meaning. The writers seem to get a perverse joy in playing with our desire to search for hope and meaning, as if Camus was making his point in the style of an internet troll.

In another instance, Rick saves Earth from the Brave New World-inspired Galactic Federation. We may be tempted to say that Rick did this for a greater good - to liberate earth from their alien oppressors. However Summer's comment suggests that the new world order doesn't sound too good either [Oh my god Nancy says they’re drawing and quartering aliens in the school courtyard and it technically counts as patriotism!].

In other moments, the idea that Rick cares about Morty and Summer is also toyed with [We have your Morty and Summer]. First, Rick seems to care, as he rushes to rescue Morty and Summer after learning they’re imprisoned by the council of Ricks. Rick then exhibits a casual disregard for Summer’s life in his stand-off with another Rick [why not shoot through her? The risk to me is minimized if I wait for you to shoot her, which I'm encouraging you to do], but we learn it was all part of a well-crafted strategy. Finally, the whole Rick-caring-theory disintegrates again as he explains he only saved them so that Beth doesn’t kick him out of the house [Your mom wouldn't have accepted me if I came home without you and your sister, so now you know the real reason I rescued you].

Which finally brings us to the Szechaun Sauce. Rick isn’t motivated by family, or justice, or love, but only that Mulan mcnugget sauce. The show, undercutting even the most promising attempt to give Rick a sense of morality, doubles-down by suggesting that his entire series arc will be his quest for a forgotten promotional food item [That's what this is all about Morty, that's my one arm man, I'm not driven by avenging my dead family Morty, that was fake, I'm driven by finding that McNugget sauce, I want that Mulan McNugget sauce Morty]. But is this really what drives Rick? No.

The only thing Rick's love of Szechuan sauce means, is that it means nothing. The quest for Szechuan sauce isn’t creating meaning, it’s a reflection of the absurdity of being driven by, well, anything. Given the utter void of meaning in the world, why not dedicate yourself to an absurd quest for plum-flavored McNugget sauce? Why not spend 9 whole seasons doing it? Why not 98 years?

The quest for mcnugget sauce is meaningful only in that its a joke about meaninglessness. Camus say that any figure who understands and finds happiness in the pointless of it all is an "Absurd hero." The absurd hero must not only be happy with life’s absurdity, but fully comprehend the cosmic indifference that surrounds him - he calls it “lucid indifference.”

And this all seems a lot like Rick [and these babies just saved this lame ass party!]. A man who's knowledge of the vast multiverse, where everything terrible and good can and has happened, defines his existence [what about the reality where Hitler caused cancer Morty! The answers don't think about it!]. A man who reduces our basic morals to genetic programming. A man who, in spite of being able to accomplish anything, only yearns for Szechuan sauce.

There’s one important difference between Camus’ absurd hero and Rick Sanchez absurd heroes find happiness in the absurd. But as we know, Rick is in great pain [Birdperson: Morty do you know what Wubalubadubdub means? In my peoples tounge it means 'I am in great pain']. Maybe Rick’s actual arc will not be to give more shits, or be nicer to his family, but actually to enjoy the absurdity of it all. So is the April fools joke the fact that they actually dropped the episode exactly when they said they would [Mr.Poopy Butthole: Tune into Rick and Morty in like a year and a half (10/4/15 to 4/1/17 = 1.5 years)]?

Or is the real joke the prospect of Rick finding meaning- aka the Szechuanuahn sauce. Essentially- if you thought Rick's self sacrifice was an indication of a belief in family, justice, or anything, for that matter. You've been had [There's a lot more where that came from too].

Re: Existential questions raised in 'Rick and Morty'

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:36 pm
by NonZeroSum
Season 3 baby, just 2 more weeks! Then every week for 8 more episodes!

Rick and Morty Season 3 Trailer | Rick and Morty | Adult Swim
- https://youtu.be/DeAw6aXHzcY

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This is the best, most concise, most down to earth video out there on the existential virtue ethics of Rick and Morty, love how they break down the character development and script writing and everything:

Rick and Morty: Rejecting Nihilism
https://youtu.be/RboGMrPztNY

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Published on Jul 11, 2017

Many people view Rick and Morty as a nihilistic show. I believe those people are wrong, the show is actually about love, human connection and the profound significance of everything.

The man being interviewed is Dan Harmon, the full interview can be found here: http://nerdist.com/dan-harmon-meaning-of-life-rick-and-morty/

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Transcript:

Since it first premiered in 2013, Dan Harmon's Adult Swim show ‘Rick and Morty’ has been framed as a nihilistic show that explores the meaninglessness of human life and existence, it's easy to see why people have repeatedly reached this conclusion over the show's run but it also is an interpretation I believe is wholly incorrect.

Nihilism if you're unfamiliar, is the belief that human existence is devoid of meaning, purpose, truth and value.

Rick and Morty is a show that actively spits in the face of nihilism and presents infinite meanings, purposes, truths and values.

Now the show does often bring up the philosophy of nihilism through 1. Dialogue, 2. Characters and 3.Story

However it only ever does this to subvert the idea and reveal a better alternative, not because the show is nihilistic itself.


1. Dialogue


Even though Rick is the most nihilistic character on the show, the most cited piece of dialogue is this line from:
Morty wrote:Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybody's going to die, come watch TV.
And yeah on the surface that does introduce the idea that life is devoid of meaning and purpose, but the irony of this line is that the subtext says the exact opposite. Morty says this to convince summer to not run away, to stay where their family is because that's where she belongs.

The context of this interaction further underscores that there is a purpose in place for each of the characters, as Morty pointed out just seconds earlier:
Morty wrote:That out there, that's my grave.
Summer wrote:Wait what?
Morty wrote:On one of our adventures, Rick and I basically destroyed the whole world, so we bailed on that reality and we came to this one because in this one the world wasn't destroyed, and in this one we were dead so we came here and we buried ourselves and we took their place.
This reintroduces the question brought up episodes earlier when Rick and Morty actually do destroy the world, why do they need to live on earth with the family at all, there are infinite realities, Rick could have easily have found one that would have been more interesting to him on an intellectual level and could have helped him avoid being annoyed and held back by the rest of the family, but he and Morty found a reality where they could keep things exactly the same and stay with their family.

Just about every piece of nihilistic dialogue on the show does the same as this one and points to the fact that there is actual meaning in life through human connection, it's why Dan Harmon gave Rick and Morty a grounded family on earth, rather than having them travel through space and time with no anchor because that was the best way he could explore the true theme of the show.

But I'm getting ahead of myself, that's why Rick and Morty live with the rest of their family on earth on a meta-level, but what about on a narrative level?


2. Characters


As a character, Rick constantly tries to convince those around him that he doesn't care,
Rick wrote:As far as grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit, yeah I can prove it mathematically, actually let me grab my whiteboard, this has been a long time coming anyway. . . So in conclusion you're both equally mercurial, overly sensitive, clingy, hysterical, birdbrain hurmunculai.
And he's usually successful, even though it is evident that he does:
Gribbels wrote:This is special agent Gribbels, you have a tip about Rick Sanchez?
Rick wrote:Yeah he kidnapped me in my family and he left us on Dwarf Nine, said he was going to go to the plimp plomp tavern and listen…
Gribbels wrote:Yes?
Rick wrote:I'm doing what's right for the galaxy by calling you, so if we come back to earth, can my family have a normal life?
Also something that needs to be said, is that even if Rick were a true nihilist as a character, that wouldn't make the show a nihilistic show, but Rick isn't a nihilist, he just wants to be one because it would make his life a lot easier, he'd be able to abandon his family on earth and wouldn't feel the need to sacrifice himself for Morty.

But on a deeper level Rick wants to be a nihilist because intellectually he knows that when you pull back your perspective it is true that nothing matters.
Harmon wrote:Do I agree with Rick that nothing means anything? No, I do not, because the knowledge that nothing matters while accurate, gets you nowhere, the planet is dying, the Sun is exploding, the universe is cooling, nothing's going to matter the further back you pull, the more that truth will endure.
But no human, not even Rick lives life from that perspective, we live much more zoomed in.
Harmon wrote:But you zoom in on earth, when you zoom into a family, when you zoom into a human brain and a childhood of experience, you see all these things matter, we have this fleeting chance to participate in an illusion called I love my girlfriend, I love my dog, how is that not better?
Rick tries to dismiss ideas about love, family and human connection, but I believe these are subtle jokes, rather than the show actually speaking through the character.

Take this scene for example:
Rick: Listen Morty, I hate to break it to you, but what people call love is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed, it hits hard Morty then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage, I did it, your parents are going to do it, break the cycle Morty, focus on science.
This is an accurate assessment of love, but here Rick tries to dismiss the whole notion by explaining how it works, which doesn't make logical sense, knowing how an engine works doesn't make your car useless, knowing that love is a chemical reaction doesn't make it less real or meaningful.

Rick knows this despite him believing love doesn't matter on an intellectual level, he still allows it to guide his decision-making throughout the show when it really matters. And when it really matters is usually at the end of an episode.


3. Story


Rick and Marty often begins stories with characters being confronted with an amoral or a nihilistic worldview, either through another character or through circumstance, but these ideas are usually introduced so the show can create arcs that bend against them, towards meaning and empathy. That's true of Beth and Jerry's repeated B stories about their marriage and of Rick and Morty's insane A stories. This understanding is empathy and familial love, the same things that keep Rick living on earth.

This is how the show explores its real theme, Rick and Morty's thesis is that life can have whatever meaning we want it to have, but the happiest one we can impose on it is one where we value the connections we make and hold with other people.

Rick and Morty as a show embraces life's infinite meanings, purposes, truths and values as much as it embraces the idea of infinite realities. And yes this is partially accessed through nihilism but even when the show does genuinely embrace that philosophy, it does so not to say that nothing matters, but that anything can.
Harmon wrote:Knowing the truth, which is that nothing matters can actually save you in those moments, once you get through that terrifying threshold of accepting that, then every place is the center of the universe and every moment is the most important moment and everything is the meaning of life.
Thank you all so much for watching. . .