Great, let's keep doing that until they treat them so well they don't kill them anymore.vegan81vzla wrote:the problem, like I said in the other post, is that if you keep asking for people to treat animals better, well, that is what they will do.
Since I, unlike you, understand that killing is in itself cruel to animals when they want to live.
That's bullshit. A chicken free to roam outside feels significantly better than one stuck in a small cage, crammed against others, mutilating itself.vegan81vzla wrote:There is nothing we can do to make animals feel better, except leave them alone.
Would you feel about the same if I put you in a cage so small you couldn't turn around?
The cruelty only really ends when we stop killing them, but there are lesser evils in the world.
Another absurdity. We are in symbiosis with animals like dogs, often both benefiting from the situation. We certainly should stop using animals for food, but they can still do things we can't do, and help us in ways we don't have the technology to manage without them yet.vegan81vzla wrote:And stop depending on them in any way, shape or form (food included).
If the animals died a 'natural' death after a long and happy life, would that be a problem?vegan81vzla wrote:But if the ONLY arguement for veganism is, because animals don't like the way we treat them, well, other humans will bypass that and just do their best to "love" animals all their lives and eat them in the end with a happy concience.
The environmental issues are still a problem, but from a moral perspective of the animal, probably not.
Most atheists wouldn't mind being eaten after they died. "I'm done with my body, why would I care?"
Some would have an issue with it, but it's unlikely non-humans have that level of contemplation.