teo123 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:30 am
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can bond with their owners...
I don't accept that some non-human animal can feel love...
What is love? Have you ever felt it? I haven't, and I have a hard time imagining that some non-human animal can feel such a complicated emotion. Especially that a stupid prey animal such as a rabbit can somehow love its natural predator that a human being is.
In my opinion, even plants are capable of
love and even the love of a human.
Philosopher
Monica Gagliano, an Italian plant researcher, has reported having experiences of spiritually communicating with plants. She has written a memoir titled "Thus Spoke the Plant," (Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche) in which she recounts a series of prophetic dreams and experiential perception of the spirit of plants. In her memoir, she describes experiences of "talking" with plants.
Can plants talk with humans?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/styl ... -talk.html
It is seen that humans can bond with both Hyenas and Grizzly bears. A man joined a pack of wild Hyenas and lived with them as part of the pack, as shown in the following video. The Hyenas show love to the man the same as they do to other Hyenas. Why would the Hyenas accept the human in their pack? It cannot be just about food for them.
Man and Hyenas at 42:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYJAJWCS8eM
The story of
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Grizzly man is similar although it ended fatally for him. He would sing to the Grizzly bears, socialize with them, roll around on the ground with their cubs and touch the mother in the wild. It went OK from him and his friends for 13 years. The attack was at night in the dark while he was sleeping in his tent, which was at the time that the bears just exited their hibernation period, which he was specifically warned against since the bears will then urgently seek food.
Timothy Treadwell touched the bears he lived with in Alaska. He would play with bear cubs while the mother watched. He would also touch the adult bears.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man
I would argue that the potential of domestication, of an animal becoming tame, might be an indication that there is an interest for animals to bond with humans that goes beyond their food interest. That interest would be about
love.
Theory to explain it
My view is that the binding force in nature (the binding problem in neuro-philosophy) is
a priori to the world (creates the world) and that in the friendship between an animal and a human, the animal and the human would become one like two biological cells would become one, to serve a
purpose that lays beyond the animal and the human combined.
Most interestingly is that the source of that 'more' is a priori to the world, thus does not originate from either one of its parts, being either the human or the animal. In a sense, a
higher consciousness would take over between the human and the animal.
Some quotes that confirm the idea:
"
The whole is not only more than the sum of its parts, but is also something different from the sum of its parts." - Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
"
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts." - Aristotle
"
The whole is not a mere heap, but a system of parts whose interactions produce a new phenomenon." - Thomas Aquinas
"
The whole is not comprehended by the sum of its parts." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
In business science it is a well-established concept that a team is
more than the sum of its parts.
The cooperation between biological cells lays at the root of human conscious experience so it is plainly obvious from a subjective experiential sense, that those tiny cells combined are capable of a whole lot 'more'.
What could explain 'more than the sum of two conscious beings'?
In my view: a higher consciousness, and the origin of that higher consciousness is necessarily a priori to the world, which implies that it is not wholly causal and not contained in either the human or the animal. And that 'more' is what
love would be about.
Evidence
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Astronauts have been reporting an extreme transcendental experience of '
interconnected euphoria' that profoundly changes their lives and makes them want to protect nature.
The astronauts have been trying to make a case for
Planetary Awareness (planet spirit or planet consciousness) for decades, without success, but nonetheless is their decades long perseverance and persistent attempt evidence that the idea of 'more' is applicable when it concerns the friendship between an animal and a human.
(2022)
The Case for Planetary Awareness
First we should understand why we don't already know of this profound experience, despite decades of astronaut reports.
Widely known in the space community as the Overview Effect, it is little known by the general public and poorly understood even by many space advocates. Phrases like "strange dreamlike experience", "reality was like a hallucination", and feeling like they had "come back from the future", occur time and again. Finally, many astronauts have emphasized that space images do not come close to the direct experience, and may even give us a false impression of the real nature of the Earth and space. "It is virtually impossible to describe... You can take people to see [IMAX's] The Dream Is Alive, but spectacular as it is, it's not the same as being there." - Astronaut and Senator Jake Garn.
http://overview-effect.earth
(2022)
The Overview Institute
There's more to the pale blue dot than we know.
http://overviewinstitute.org
Within that 'more' beyond the animal and human combined, the animal and human can become equal as parts of a higher consciousness.
It is even possible with a
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plant.