All I can think will happen in the United States presidential election of 2016.

[Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Bernie is better for black voters, but they overwhelmingly support Clinton.

People don't always do better with the establishment against them. The media has a lot of influence.

So are you saying Bernie Sanders will lose? Please don't crap on my dreams.

Sorry, I wish he'd win too.
It looks like it'll probably be effectively over tonight, unfortunately.

I cry every time.

[PsYcHo]

I think it's getting unlikely at this point, unfortunately.
I completely disagreed with the narrative of the mainstream media that Bernie never had a chance, but his huge loss in NY has made things a lot more difficult.

At this point, it's just important to support Trump against Cruz, to make sure Cruz doesn't get it. If it's a contested primary, or whatever they call it, all bets are off.

I think that if Cruz were somehow to get the nomination, Hillary would win in a landslide. Independents (like myself) would never in a million years vote for Cruz. You might be surprised to learn that a lot of us were torn between Bernie and Trump. Anyone who helps tear down this antiquated two-party system is worth the short term negatives. We are, after all, only electing a President, not a supreme leader. Whatever jack-ass gets elected, the second they start to go too far left or right, the voters will simply elect opposite party members to congress and the senate, and once again nothing will get accomplished except for a lot of posturing and pandering. I don't like Trump as a person, but his getting elected seems to be the best shot at tearing apart at least one of the parties.

[EquALLity]

I think it's getting unlikely at this point, unfortunately.
I completely disagreed with the narrative of the mainstream media that Bernie never had a chance, but his huge loss in NY has made things a lot more difficult.

At this point, it's just important to support Trump against Cruz, to make sure Cruz doesn't get it. If it's a contested primary, or whatever they call it, all bets are off.

I think that if Cruz were somehow to get the nomination, Hillary would win in a landslide. Independents (like myself) would never in a million years vote for Cruz. You might be surprised to learn that a lot of us were torn between Bernie and Trump. Anyone who helps tear down this antiquated two-party system is worth the short term negatives. We are, after all, only electing a President, not a supreme leader. Whatever jack-ass gets elected, the second they start to go too far left or right, the voters will simply elect opposite party members to congress and the senate, and once again nothing will get accomplished except for a lot of posturing and pandering. I don't like Trump as a person, but his getting elected seems to be the best shot at tearing apart at least one of the parties.

I knew about the phenomenon of independents being torn between Bernie and Trump, and I understand why that is, though I don't agree with the reasoning (in bold).

Should I take this to mean you'd support Trump over Hillary? O_O
That's almost what it sounds like. I really hope that's not what you're saying.

[PsYcHo]

I knew about the phenomenon of independents being torn between Bernie and Trump, and I understand why that is, though I don't agree with the reasoning (in bold).

Should I take this to mean you'd support Trump over Hillary? O_O
That's almost what it sounds like. I really hope that's not what you're saying.

Having read a lot of your posts, I respect you immensely. But....... I also conclude (an correct me if I am wrong) you are relatively young. (Early 20's, I'm guessing) Because I do respect you, I will answer bluntly. I cannot say I "support" Trump, but I do plan to vote for him. Bernie Sanders was the most honest "politician" I have seen in my years, but sadly, Hillary and the Democratic party royally f-ed him over. If he were the nominee, he would have my vote. I don't agree with all his policies, but I believe he truly wants to make the country better. Donald Trump is a misogynistic, xenophobic, ass of an alpha-male, but I believe he also (in his own misguided way) really wants to make the country better. Hillary..... is just a politician who wants the power of the presidency. Both Hillary and Trump are bad choices, but I reason Donald would be a better choice in the long term. (Not the short term. Hillary would be better to keep things s..l...o..w..ll..y progressing forward)

I'm hesitant to post this, but I will because I hope you can see my reasoning. Politics is chess, but most people only play checkers......

[Jebus]

At this point, it's just important to support Trump against Cruz, to make sure Cruz doesn't get it.

Better Ted than dead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRYfMa1wEk

[EquALLity]

Having read a lot of your posts, I respect you immensely. But....... I also conclude (an correct me if I am wrong) you are relatively young. (Early 20's, I'm guessing)

Early twenties, LOL.
I'm actually younger than that.

Out of curiosity, what is it that makes me seem young?

If he were the nominee, he would have my vote. I don't agree with all his policies, but I believe he truly wants to make the country better. Donald Trump is a misogynistic, xenophobic, ass of an alpha-male, but I believe he also (in his own misguided way) really wants to make the country better. Hillary..... is just a politician who wants the power of the presidency. Both Hillary and Trump are bad choices, but I reason Donald would be a better choice in the long term. (Not the short term. Hillary would be better to keep things s..l...o..w..ll..y progressing forward)

What makes you think Donald wants to improve the country? It seems to me like he's just doing this whole thing to stroke his ego.

I'm not sure about Hillary's intentions, but do you agree that she'd basically be the same as Obama?
If you do, do you think Trump would be better than Obama?

Having good or bad intentions isn't really relevant in itself, IMO. It's the consequences of your policies that're important ultimately (though the policies will of course be impacted by the intentions).

[PsYcHo]

Having read a lot of your posts, I respect you immensely. But....... I also conclude (an correct me if I am wrong) you are relatively young. (Early 20's, I'm guessing)

Early twenties, LOL.
I'm actually younger than that.

Out of curiosity, what is it that makes me seem young?

I'm not sure about Hillary's intentions, but do you agree that she'd basically be the same as Obama?
If you do, do you think Trump would be better than Obama?

I guessed young because you seemed really optimistic that Bernie would win, yet my older friends (up to a die-hard former hippie of 70), all were HOPEFUL he would win, but pessimistic, and rightly so. The Clinton family is surprisingly tied into the Bush family, which is the problem I have with both parties. (I should also point out that my home state is so red, if everyone who voted Democrat were given 2 votes each, the Republican would still win......and that's fucked up. My vote is merely a symbolic middle finger to the establishment.)

Since you are young, I will take you back 2008. Besides the normal racists red-necks, more moderate conservatives were absolutely flipping out about the horror that would be when a near un-heard of Barack Obama was elected president. He was going to take everyone's guns, tax the middle class into oblivion, ban Christianity and replace it with Islam, etc. I feel the level of fear directed at the mere thought of a Trump presidency is similar to that.

I do think Hillary would be about the same as Obama, and that's the problem for me. I have nothing against them personally, but I have major issues with the Democrat and Republican parties. I only plan to vote for Trump because BOTH parties hate him.

[EquALLity]

I guessed young because you seemed really optimistic that Bernie would win, yet my older friends (up to a die-hard former hippie of 70), all were HOPEFUL he would win, but pessimistic, and rightly so. The Clinton family is surprisingly tied into the Bush family, which is the problem I have with both parties. (I should also point out that my home state is so red, if everyone who voted Democrat were given 2 votes each, the Republican would still win......and that's fucked up. My vote is merely a symbolic middle finger to the establishment.)

Ah, interesting.

Ok, if your vote is irrelevant anyway, then I don't care who you vote for that much.
However, the real question is, who would you vote for if it DID matter? Who would you choose to put in office if it was up to you?

Since you are young, I will take you back 2008. Besides the normal racists red-necks, more moderate conservatives were absolutely flipping out about the horror that would be when a near un-heard of Barack Obama was elected president. He was going to take everyone's guns, tax the middle class into oblivion, ban Christianity and replace it with Islam, etc. I feel the level of fear directed at the mere thought of a Trump presidency is similar to that.

I don't think so.

Republicans were afraid of Obama based on prejudice (ie racism and fear of socialism).

Liberals and more reasonable conservatives are afraid of Trump because of facts about him, like:
1) He appears to know absolutely nothing about policy.
2) He intentionally manipulates people in malicious ways and incites violence.
3) He has spouted numerous bigoted statements (racist, xenophobic, sexist etc. statements).
4) He seems to be doing all of this for an ego trip.
5) He lies CONSTANTLY.
6) The majority of policy positions he claims to hold are insane.

Etc. etc. etc.

I do think Hillary would be about the same as Obama, and that's the problem for me. I have nothing against them personally, but I have major issues with the Democrat and Republican parties. I only plan to vote for Trump because BOTH parties hate him.

Both parties hate ISIS too. Would you support ISIS?

Just because both parties are against something doesn't mean that thing is the best option.

[PsYcHo]

Ok, if your vote is irrelevant anyway, then I don't care who you vote for that much.
However, the real question is, who would you vote for if it DID matter? Who would you choose to put in office if it was up to you?

If it were down to Trump and Bernie, I would choose Sanders. I do not agree with all of his policies, but he seems more inclined to listen to the people.

Republicans were afraid of Obama based on prejudice (ie racism and fear of socialism).

That is an oversimplification. Lots of people were prejudiced towards Obama for ignorant reasons, but a large, less-vocal contingent were merely against his economic policies, or more accurately the economic policies of the Democratic party. I run a small business, yet I am very liberal on most social issues. Think log-cabin Republican.

Both parties hate ISIS too. Would you support ISIS?
Just because both parties are against something doesn't mean that thing is the best option.

Obviously no, but they are doing very well economically. Being twice your age (get off my lawn!), it may be hard to believe, but you and I probably want mostly the same things for the country. The current two-party system only works because both sides play the masses against each other like pawns, and most people fall in line and pick a side. I think Trump could be a catalyst to start to break up the parties. Worse case scenario, he serves four years, we elect a Democrat, and start the whole "your side sucks!" process again......

[PsYcHo]

This is a perfect example of the kind of spending that makes an otherwise progressive person want to vote for an idiot like Trump. http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-spend-35-million-lgbt-anti-smoking/

I am most definitely pro LGBT. I am not pro-tobacco. 35 million??!! If you don't know in this day and age that smoking is bad, you can't read the damn PSA in the first place!