Questions from a meat-eater

[OpiumAddict]

1) im not sure what u mean by lab grown meat.

Lab grown meat is meat that is not from any animal but instead obtained through chemical processes(it has natural meat cells). Yeah SCIENCE !

[OpiumAddict]

Yeah, that is the absolute worst. I always make an effort to adjust to things i don't like. I used to not like avocados or mushrooms, and now they are 2 of my favorite foods. I think the trick is to eat the food in a context where that specific flavor is hard to isolate, but is still there. Raw Tomatoes make me gag, but i think they are delicious in salsa, sandwiches, or cooked. Seaweed makes me gag, but its fine in sushi. Just slowly up the amount of the trouble flavor in yummy meals like this until your subconscious takes them off the danger list. If you lock on to the flavor and the meal becomes a bad experience because you used too much, don't go through with it. You don't want your brain to associate that flavor negatively. Worst case scenario, even if you don't start to like it, you at least learn all the meals you can use your trouble veggie in safely.

I've found adding tabasco to anything on my plate rather useful, it clouds the flavour sort of

[bobo0100]

1) im not sure what u mean by lab grown meat.
2) Oysters are sentient they have nerve ganglia( search it up if u dont know what it means) just like we humans do.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Peb_Ad7gtgA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat

As has been stated in this topic sentience is not binary, different species have different aspects of sentience, and to different degrees.

Funnily enough the video you posted has been strongly criticized previously on the forum, but I'll let someone with more scientific knowledge take over.

[Mr. Purple]

Oysters are sentient they have nerve ganglia( search it up if u dont know what it means) just like we humans do.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Peb_Ad7gtgA

Having a nervous system or nerve bundles is a separate matter from pain and suffering. There really isn't strong evidence that they feel anything like pain. Even if you want to error the side of caution, you need to think about how consumption of rope grown bivalves aren't contributing to the suffering and death of insects and mammals in agricultural fields where there is no doubt about the harm. Regardless, you shouldn't promote Gary Yourofsky. He is sort of like a fundamentalist theist of veganism with his extreme black and white thinking and eye for eye mentality. He is also disturbingly misanthropic and violent for someone claiming he wants to reduce suffering.

[brimstoneSalad]

2) Oysters are sentient they have nerve ganglia( search it up if u dont know what it means) just like we humans do.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Peb_Ad7gtgA

As another said, that doesn't indicate sentience.

It's like saying "Hey, that computer has an Intel chip, it must be running Windows!"
No.
The presence of nerve clusters may make sentience possible, where without them (or any comparable structure) it would likely be impossible, but doesn't in any way guarantee that sentience is present.

This is inductive reasoning, and it is faulty. It makes vegans look dogmatic, and ignorant of science, to take that leap.

We can learn which animals are or are not sentient from their behavior; we don't have to guess based on the presence or lack of ganglia which in oysters are probably either vestigial or controlling more automatic processes.

It is fair to say "Plants certainly aren't sentient, and oysters might be a little sentient, and since plants are healthier anyway we should eat them instead"; it's just not fair to make definitive positive claims about oyster sentience.
Avoiding oysters is reasonable to do, but more for health reasons.

[riddler]

I have been vegan since 1986 and atheist since I was 19. I keep my world very simple: I love the animals, I eat the vegetables and I wear the minerals. Remember? The simple order of the world is animal, vegetable, mineral. I don't try to eat low on the food chain (e.g., mussels), so I can rationalize that they are not sentient. I just avoid all animals. My goal in life is to do as little intentional harm as possible. I acknowledge just by treading upon this planet that I am causing some harm. The human animal is destructive. However, I keep my personal footprint as small as possible.

Even Bill Gates is pursuing lab-grown meat. He is concerned about feeding the world. I am sure I would eat lab-grown meat. There is nothing unkind about it; nor is there anything repugnant about it. Our current system of animal slaughter is repugnant, including the harvesting and slaughter of marine animals. Eating animals flesh is a horror. Clearly, we do not need to eat animals to survive. All of the necessary nutrients are in the plant kingdom or within our own bodies (e.g., B12).

[brimstoneSalad]

All of the necessary nutrients are in the plant kingdom or within our own bodies (e.g., B12).

Only if you practice coprophagy, as do our close relatives (other great apes, and primates), and every other land-dwelling non-ruminant mammalian herbivore.
B-12 is produced late in the digestive tract, but only absorbed early on, so it needs a "second pass" to enter your blood and avoid being lost.

If you do not consume food and water contaminated by feces, or take a supplement for B-12, you will die.

[Blizzy]

As the title states, I've got a few questions so bare with me, you might actually change my opinions.

1)If lab grown meat becomes popular, would you eat it?

2)After lurking on the forum for awhile, I've noticed that most vegans won't eat meat because animals have sentience. But what about animals such as clams and oysters? Or animals like snails and muscles?

*Also I seem to have accidentally left my diet status "vegan", how do I edit it?

1) No! It is evil and unnatural and goes against God's creation
20 They are living too it is wrong to kiill would Jesus kill?

[Blizzy]

As the title states, I've got a few questions so bare with me, you might actually change my opinions.

1)If lab grown meat becomes popular, would you eat it?

2)After lurking on the forum for awhile, I've noticed that most vegans won't eat meat because animals have sentience. But what about animals such as clams and oysters? Or animals like snails and muscles?

*Also I seem to have accidentally left my diet status "vegan", how do I edit it?

1) No! It is evil and unnatural and goes against God's creation
20 They are living too it is wrong to kiill would Jesus kill?

I do not even think we should kill white people and they are lower than snails, muscles, claims and oisters.