Vegan Gains Critique - Future Video

[brimstoneSalad]

That being said, there isn't data suggesting that pre-middle aged cancer can reliably be caused by dietary factors.

It's a signal to noise issue, not a question of causation.
"Reliably". Of course, you can't show that low levels of ionizing radiation will reliably cause cancer either in the face of so many other variables. And yet we know that they must, if we could collect a large enough sample size.

The problem I have with VGs video is that he said verbatim "Yeah, so basically, cancer is a preventable disease caused by animal products...."

Well yes, that was perhaps somewhat wrong. Cancer isn't completely preventable, because there are so many causes.
Bananas could have caused his cancer. Probably not, but could have.
That's the scary thing about cancer; it's so unpredictable. There are clearly certain causes, but they function in such a chaotic way that the statistical spread is enormous.

But what does "preventable" mean? Because if we're speaking in absolute terms, nothing is preventable at all.
Reducing risk is meaningful to prevention.

That being said, probable isn't even the word I'd use, seeing as their are so many other possible causes. For instance, remaining in the pollutant camp of cancer research is medically ignorant, as viruses have clearly been linked as clear and irrefutable causations of certain cancer, including testicular.

Viruses! Of course, I thought I was missing a big one in my crude list.

As I said, yes, there are many potential causes. But it also takes many factors together to lead to cancer progression. The hormone and inflammation issues would be hard to ignore. (Also, don't forget choline).

Would he have avoided cancer if he didn't eat animal products, or excessive methionine and other factors from plant products? It's not clear.

That depends largely on how much it's true that cancer is the straw that broke the camel's back. He could have been more or less destined to have testicular cancer from birth due to bad genetic luck; I don't think that's a significant enough part of the whole story to discount the rest though.

[vegan81vzla]

I already do not care too much what he says, as it has been stablished that he might not be fully mentally healthy, he has admitted it himself that he is a sociopath. Yeah, sure, he might call himself vegan, but if anything, he should keep mentioning that he is a fan of Gary Yourofsky school of thought. He is just setting an example of what veganism shouldn't keep on doing. Focusing on animals for example. What I'd like is for someone to criticize his keeping of a breed dog as a pet, something VERY unvegan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYtDiJdg18c

in this video it is shown how they inflict cruelty to the animal, by forcing it to take a bath, and it is shown how scared the animal is. The images are shown both at the beginning and the end. Thanks for taking this into consideration.

P.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW4VY80vAmY
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in this video you can see vegan gainz' rant on children and babies. just in case you need it. And it is a critique from a carnist bodybuilder, where he might have some good reasoning. We need a vegan movement focused on humans rather than on animals

[Lightningman_42]

He is just setting an example of what veganism shouldn't keep on doing. Focusing on animals for example.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Veganism is an ethical philosophy about avoiding harm towards animals as much as possible and practical, while promoting alternatives to common uses of animals.

What I'd like is for someone to criticize his keeping of a breed dog as a pet, something VERY unvegan.

Someone? Why not you? Could you please explain exactly what that criticism would be? If I remember correctly, Rafael (the dog who lives with Richard) was purchased by his mother from a breeder, before either of them went vegan. What do you want them to do with the dog now? Give it up for adoption because keeping a dog from a breeder somehow violates vegan idealism? I don't see any practical use to this. I agree that it would be hypocritical for anyone to give money to pet-breeders after going vegan, but if someone did so before going vegan, then he/she might as well continue caring for that animal.

P.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW4VY80vAmY
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In this video you can see Vegan Gains' rant on children and babies. just in case you need it.

I think that this is one of the most important things for TheVeganAtheist to discuss when he makes a video criticizing Richard: effective vegan advocacy. Some of his videos are unnecessary (have nothing to do with fitness, human health, or veganism) and seem to be merely an outlet for him to vent anger. Videos like these are harmful to his fitness/health/vegan advocacy because they have nothing to do with them, and his scornful rage will likely turn people off from seeing any of his good (and relevant) videos. Imagine you've just discovered his channel, and the first video of his that you watch is this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fStQISdfSII

Would you be eager to then continue watching his videos? I wouldn't.

We need a vegan movement focused on humans rather than on animals

I don't understand why you think this. Veganism, by definition, is a philosophy about avoiding harm towards animals.

"A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

I would agree that advocating healthier eating habits (which exclude animal products) is an important component of vegan advocacy. Educating nonvegans about how unnecessary animal-derived foods are for human health allows us to better advocate avoiding harm towards animals (because then they cannot defend the suffering & killing of animals with comments about "nutritional requirement").

I would not agree, however, with the suggestion that the main purpose of the vegan movement should be to benefit humans. That would be like saying, "we need a gay rights movement that focuses on heterosexuals rather than on homosexuals", or "we need a womens' rights movement that focuses on men rather than on women." Please clarify what you meant.

[vegan81vzla]

https://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1078
there you have my thoughts on veganism, perhaps that would clarify my comment more. Veganism is not ethics, is a philosophy, two terms that, although closely related, are not exactly the same. I wrote about that also, as clear as I could.
https://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1081
I have criticized his keeping a pet of his YouTube channel comments section quite a few times, he hasn't answered me though. I have no idea if he bought it before or after going vegan, but if I were yo become a vegan youtuber, I wouldn't brag too much about the dog. I thought that the purpose of this trend was to inquire ideas to put on a vegan atheist video. For a response to be "why don't you do your own video" is a kinda rude answer. If you didn't want for help, then why ask for it? Obviously you have more viewers than I could have, so it would be irrelevant for me to do a video on him

[TheVeganAtheist]

Released the first of 2 videos critiquing Vegan Gains.

https://youtu.be/sTCzMkiOrjg

[Red]

Your video seems to be stirring up a lot of negativity.. I personally liked it, however, this video is getting almost as many dislikes as the video you did with VeganGains. I mean, I never paid much attention to the whole VeganGains fiasco, but from what I can tell, he's largely disliked by the vegan community. I would consider him the Amazing Atheist of the Vegan community, only with more casual and obvious sadistic perspectives.

[Insert name here]

I noticed the negativity as well, the three main comment types I've seen on the video are as follows. "You didn't make it about veganism, you're just tying to get views by criticizing vegan gains" " Vegan gains was being sarcastic, so this was a waste of time." And " Stop arguing with other vegan youtubers, you are't helping." As an added bonus, there was also one comment criticizing unnatural vegan, who wasn't even in the video. What has she done to earn such animosity?

[Ravenworks]

What are your thoughts on his approach to vegan activism?

His approach is alienating. He's said himself that he lacks social interaction skills and it shows, painfully. He sounds like a whiney little bitch and it's just insufferable to listen to. To think he's going to convert anyone with this approach is just laughable.

When I first came across him, I defended him briefly against the critics but it soon became apparent to me that he's probably doing more harm than good. He goes out of his way to be as rude and obnoxious as possible. Some polite Christian girl in comments made a few fairly reasonable points and he just jumped down her throat, hurling appalling insults at her.

He needs to sort his attitude out and then have another go at the whole vegan activism thing.