You implied it in the past saying how you hate liberals, so it only makes sense to think that you consider liberalism to be a less extreme form of progressivism (more right wing), and you said later in your post that liberalism is more limited.
The PragerU video you linked implied that.
How do you figure?Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:39 amThe point I was making was that since any Americans who would be considered left on European spectrum would either not define themselves as liberal or actively reject the term, it shows that even in the United States, it is only really people who would be on the centre of a European spectrum who should be considered "liberal".
In America, they are considered left wing.
Yeah since those things are considered very radical here in the US it's like it's shifted to the left some.
I'm sure you're aware of this, but even things like Medicare and Medicaid are considered extreme (no conservative protests them, since they are usually old and benefit from these things), and businesses are still allowed to discriminate against homosexuals. It's a very depressing state of affairs.
On the bright side, most people are in support of Obamacare. This is a hunch, but I predict that within the next century or so, we'll see the implementation of a single-payer system.
In Europe. You walk over all conservative states in US, you'll be pressed to find someone who supports UBI (even though they are the ones that usually need it most, but oh well). You go to a left leaning (I chose that word carefully) place like New York or Califronia, just about everyone would be on board.
Are you arguing for everything in the European sense here? I think something got lost in translation.
Anyway based on what Yang said about HCC on his website, it includes social welfare programs (most especially UBI), and increased regulation on Capitalism, which is considered very left here in America. This is a guess but it might also be considered a left wing policy in Europe since liberalism (European definition) has a focus on economic freedom, and this is calling for a regulation. Or is it neoliberalism? Ugh so many terms, so little time.
I think I have extremely similar politics to him, but I'd still consider myself to be liberal. Though I prefer the term progressive.
I can't find an easy link describing his policies other than Wikipedia can you send something? Oh yeah and Miliband has described himself as socialist according to Wikipedia, but you said he's not anti-capitalist so I don't know what to make of this.
Well why wouldn't they actively reject the term?
Right.Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:39 amI think the confusion comes from the fact that people with social democratic viewpoints have only surfaced as a mainstream group recently, and since the people who have considered themselves "liberal" were seen on the left of an American spectrum, and social democrats were on the left, people just started calling social democrats "liberals".
I'm talking in reference to the American spectrum. I think this is where the confusion is coming from.
Well, that was just a guess I made about why Progressive is starting to be more popular. I never said that with absolute certainty.Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:39 amMy point in linking these videos is that they indicate that people aren't calling themselves "progressive" in order to distance themselves from "SJWs", as if that were the case, Dave Rubin and other "anti-SJWs" would be calling themselves "progressive" rather than "liberal".
Since Prager is saying that the terms leftist and liberal are generally used interchangeably, and describing how leftist refers more to SJWs and liberalism is distinct from that. I think Prager said something about using Progressive instead of Liberal if people prefer in some other video.
Again, even people much further to the left of the center in America are considered liberal.
So what do you think of that PragerU video on leftist vs liberal?Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:39 amand given the fact that there isn't any evidence for people calling themselves "progressive" rather than "liberal" in order to distance themselves from "SJWs" (and that the people who we can confirm do want to distance themselves from "SJWs" tend to refer to themselves as "liberal" anyway),
Again, how do you know?