Grey Areas & Campaign Allies

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NonZeroSum
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Grey Areas & Campaign Allies

Post by NonZeroSum » Wed May 08, 2019 8:53 pm

What do people think about 3 wiki pages on the below? Grey areas are issues in line with many vegan's ethics & campaign allies are issues which we may not view as ethical, but may find useful to collaborate with to succeed in our campaign goals. Can also debate here to come to a consensus on what should go on the wiki. Do you disagree with where I've placed any of the issues on the list?

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Vegan Grey Areas

In Short

Understandable circumstances:
• Eating Disorders
• Chronic Disease / Multiple Food Allergies
• Pest Prevention
• Survival

Some might be surprised that some vegans support:
• Wildlife Management
• Non-intrusive beekeeping
• Freeganism
• Rescued Animals
• Lab Grown Meat

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Animal Liberation Common Allies

Groups/movements we may be able to offer mutual support to in achieving our campaign goals.

In Short

Human rights:
• Labor movement
• Anti-Racism / Apartheid
• Anti-Sexism / Civil rights
• Indigenous land rights / Civil investment

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Animal Liberation Contentious Allies

Groups/movements that don't live up to our ethical standard, but who we may find useful to collaborate with to achieve our campaign goals.

In Short

Animal rights legislation:
• More expensive high welfare regulation
• Speceisist slaughter/hunting abolition

Wildlife habitat expansion:
• Invasive species hunting/fishing
• Wild animal farming
• Foxhound drag hunt racecourse & Bloodhound hunting
• Greyhound hunting
• Ferreting
• Falconry

Low Impact Lifestyle:
• Localvore
• Reducitarian

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Thu May 09, 2019 1:09 am

It's a great idea, definitely. Generally agree with what you have going here.
Sorry I haven't had much time lately.

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Post by NonZeroSum » Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 am

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:09 am
It's a great idea, definitely. Generally agree with what you have going here.
Sorry I haven't had much time lately.
Aye it's all good, no point trying to force inspiration with the wiki. That's why picked this, as it's just something anyone can relate their thought processes to and discuss.
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Post by NonZeroSum » Wed May 15, 2019 6:03 am

Enjoying writing these. Won't copy all the text over for google leading people here and not the wiki, but please quote parts if anyone would like to discuss:

Common Allies

Contentious Allies

Vegan Grey Areas | Talk Page - Just copy & paste of reddit chatter so far.

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What are some perspectives that can be gained from engaging with reducitarians and vegetarians?:

Reducitarians

More psychologically inviting, but does the label long term hinder people from ever making concrete steps? And do we lessen the chance of making new vegans who will get organized and make some of the next big innovative differences?


Vegetarians

Some vegans & mostly vegans stick with vegetarian to distance themselves from detrimental vegan activists.

Them helping us tailor our advocacy to people eating meat against their own religious code.

Us helping them see how the the practical inclusion of animal products as ceremonial today should be avoided for not holding the same historical context.

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