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Racism in Veganism - 2018 Year in Review

Post by NonZeroSum » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:23 pm

Racism in Veganism - Philosophical Vegan Wiki

Racism in Veganism - 2018 Year in Review (video)
  • Isaac defending Cory and Tara McCarthy on race IQ
  • Isaac stating his belief that having mixed race children will likely be lower IQ
  • His promotion of Jack Green while he knew his nazi beliefs.
  • Jack’s full outing himself as classical nazi.
  • Trying to cover his tracks without public retraction and denounciation.
How Racist is "Ask Yourself" on a Scale of 1 to 10?

Against "Race Realism": my DNA & IQ debate vs Ask Yourself.

Eisel covering his attempts to shift Isaac away from his racist beliefs.

How Stupid is Vegan Gains on a Scale of 1 to 10?

Eisel on why was Vegan Gains friends with Cory and Tara who publicly specified that they want to have him kicked out of North America?
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Post by Red » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:29 pm

Jeez, never realized how prevalent the issue was.
Hopefully, these people won't be the first impression some have on veganism. :/
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Post by NonZeroSum » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:05 am

There's something very wrong with Isaac's wishful reading/viewing comprehension and memory:

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Ask Yourself wrote:The worst is the Theo vid he cites as evidence.
It just takes clips of me out of context.
Saying things like
"If only you listened to what the alt-right has to say!"
When the actual context is me saying
"If only you listened to what the alt-right has to say, you'd understnad how to form proper arguments against them instead of using strawmen."
You can watch the source video from 16:33 to see the full clip, there's no deceptive edit: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x706ztk

"Yeah so again, that’s a straw-man, they don’t believe that civilisation is white only, they believe it is high IQ only, and Eisel you would know this if you actually listened to what the alt-right has to say, now obviously this view is true in a sense, once the average IQ is low enough it would obviously be impossible for that group to have any kind of advanced civilization, like I mean a group of mentally retarded people could not maintain an advanced civilization. . . "

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Isaac wrote:
Eisel wrote:Yes he has debated many, many people on "the Race and I.Q. question". . .
Lmao. Does anybody ever notice that Eisel literally just makes things up constantly? How could he possibly make a claim like this? Like this is literally just a false claim. When have I ever debated someone on this topic? Maybe in passing or something?
An example from reality:
On Philosophy & Neuroscience | Ask Yourself Pirate Radio #2

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:56 pm
Isaac wrote:
NonZeroSum wrote:3. You weren't interested in debating that smaller channnel because no clout, how you treat most interactions. . .
“You weren’t interested in debating smaller channels”: I understand your listening skills are virtually nonexistent, but this is provably false by examining my record. . .
Lol at talking about my lack of listening comprehension while literally typing out a mis-quote of what you wanted to read, "that smaller channel" was the quote, go back and try again.
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Post by ShadowStarshine » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:44 pm

I personally can't stand AY, I think everyone knows that.

But at most at this point, from these videos and notes we can say he is a race realist. He may (Or does) think that race and IQ have a link. He has already stated that he thinks this holds no moral imperative nor called for doing anything about it. I've seen nothing of him talking about wanting other races out or different treatment.

This guilt by association stuff is nonsense. I have a lot of friends with crazy positions given that I'm on discord debate servers and I like to argue about such things. I would promote people with positions anti to mine because I like expression, I want it out there, and I want to disagree with it.

Could AY be racist beyond what is stated? Yeah, it is surely possible. But I would rather wait to see than accuse him of it. (Though, I hope it's true, because it would be hilarious to me).

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Post by Jamie in Chile » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:51 pm

Are these people, with their online presence, actually important in the vegan movement? They are not the ones quoted in the media, and they are not mentioned on other vegan forums I post on other than this one.

I personally never noticed vegan racism. One forum I post on it is the opposite - like strong support for black lives matter and no tolerance of any negative comments about black people, for instance.

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Post by NonZeroSum » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:39 am

Jamie in Chile wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:51 pm
Are these people, with their online presence, actually important in the vegan movement? They are not the ones quoted in the media, and they are not mentioned on other vegan forums I post on other than this one.

I personally never noticed vegan racism. One forum I post on it is the opposite - like strong support for black lives matter and no tolerance of any negative comments about black people, for instance.
Aye it's nuanced, most vegans are left wing, so I don't think we have to be too concerned about them becoming leaders, but the spread of racism anywhere is concerning and it's interesting to study to see in what way they latch onto veganism and try to leverage it to sell their racist beliefs.

Updated the wiki page to include how some vegans are naively latching onto racism in India: Racism in Veganism - Sangeet Som

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Right Wing Vegans in 2018 | Ask Yourself Pirate Radio #5

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I recorded how they talk honestly, not necessarily how they talk for the public record, so people know who they're watching. Secondly, they're sentiments that are an embarrassment to the average right-winger, so they're moments that should make most right-leaning people think twice.

It's a common misconception that all vegans are leftists, so, happy to archive some material not already listed on YouTube to dispell that notion if it helps people approach the issue of animal rights rationally.

That being said I do find some of the opinions expressed here abhorrent and while useful to acknowledge their existence, I seriously think anyone holding these harmful mythical beliefs should be dissociated from. They're certainly not worth the effort of building an emergency alliance that could be found with social conservatives or even hunters to push some project or policy through.
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Post by NonZeroSum » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:44 pm

OG's recently gone from advocating anarcho-capitalism to believing most likely immigration will collapse society and it will be down to people uniting in small communities with guns at the village walls for survival.

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Everything not in quotes is OGMizen:

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I don't want to make that you know just binary thinking kind of simplistic assumption like all the bad guys are Jews but recently seems that way. . .

I know there's lots of Jews who own lots of stuff and people find that very suspicious and I do too but that's about as much as I understand about it. . .

I'll watch some documentaries and get back to that one. . .


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Jews have been kicked out of every place they've tried to inhabit because their sick teachings and habits
Yeah it's that kind of thing of like if a hundred other people are being nasty to you if everyone else is being nasty to you is it them or is it you was the common denominator. . .


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no archaeological evidence for Jewish flight from Egypt
Well here’s the interesting thing, putting Egypt to one side, they've been to how many countries? How many countries now? One, two, three, four, five, six, many, many, many countries and at no point did they go fuck the stupid little hat and the biting baby dicks and stuff, I'm gonna become one of these these things, like how many countries have they gone through and they're still Jews, right? Not anything else, not Americans, not Egyptians, not Romans, not Germans, Jews, right? So just interesting, interesting fact. . .
Palestinians are not treated terribly unreasonably by Israel just as much Jordan kicked them out to stir up some star problems
I don't know about that I have seen some pretty nasty stuff from Israel to Palestine but then seen some nasty stuff from Palestine to Israel so you know just I just want them to go away I just want them to go back to their countries and leave us alone you've got no use for them. . .


Jewish World Order conspiracy

Ah no that's that's a funny thing recently is every bad guy I've come across recently has been a Jew something I've been looking at Oh different political stuff recently obviously I'm always looking at political stuff they seems recently past couple weeks almost every bad guy I've come across who's doing bad stuff like I don't know what to make of that. . .


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Jew world order to daughter ah no that's that's a funny thing recently is every bad guy I've come across recently has been a Jew something I've been looking at Oh different political stuff recently obviously I'm always looking at political stuff they seems recently past couple weeks almost every bad guy I've come across who's doing bad stuff like I don't know what to make of that oh don't obviously is I don't want to make that you know just binary thinking kind of simplistic assumption like all the bad guys are Jews but recently seems that way it's just okay and again I still don't know anything really about the JQ I know there's some people who think the Holocaust didn't happen I know there's lots of Jews who own lots of stuff and people find that very suspicious and I do too but that's about as much as I cistern about so yeah it's all okay it's just kind of surreal every bad guy it seems I've been digging into and looking up recently turns out

I don't think hands is a do but then again I don't think it's a bad guy well he is up to something he's definitely up to something so could be a G this is where my channel just gets blackballed for even just entertaining the question right no but guys oh oh

I'll watch some documentaries and get back to that one see me with my vegan Nazi t-shirt next time who wanted me to end this right all the bad guys are dude so yeah most of right there is that 5% exception probably just secretly Dewey come say bye come round we'll give him a proper goodbye so yet symbols pictures be wary of what half of your brain is taking in say thanks for tuning in everybody yeah Disneyland with I'm quite sorted out Disney man just yet Peppa Pig world she's in on the cards um oh gee versus 23andme 23andme uses 99% to ascendency is super effective look up Alex on life's video about the kazars okay pattern recognition is Annie submit ya know that a nice amazing oh that's anti-semitic it's like legit if someone is just legitimately hating you because you're a Jew that's a nice make but just the fact you're a Jew and someone questions you about some bad thing that you did doesn't mean you just get the full bag the sani so that's how nice make you can't come criticize me I'm a Jew who the state haha isn't that kind of anti everyone else to just have one group that you can't see share about because and he's some egg and it's not a nice make right so no semitic is not just you right so the jews themself or a nice make right okay those who who are in israel who believe that Israel has a right to exist those are anti-semitic Jews by because Arabs are also Semites yeah Semite is not a race semi as Allah is a language tradition it's not a race

this idea that you can that that's all so confusing of like I'm a too but not religious and I'm an American what how how does that work like yeah it's a the people who are in America who are Jewish right and they will constantly tell you I am Jewish or not not like the rest of you mud Bloods right I'm a special even if they're not religious right there I'm Jewish I'm Jewish I'm Jewish but an American I'm an American I'm an American it's like wait wait alright which are you because you can't be both you can't be both if two is like a nation is a people you can't be both American and you unless you're talking genetically which they're not yeah an interesting point Vox they brought up as well who I must say fucking smart bloke interesting ideas finally someone who is seems to be worthy of holding the mantle of an intellectual I compared to all the other fucking idiots that's easily anyway he pointed out he losted to say I know I'm not I'm I'm Jewish but I I'm American first and foremost right I work for America I don't work for anyone else I have no conflict of interest, they say that they say I'm American I'm American but it's like the Jews lived in Egypt for like four hundred years and they didn't come out Egyptian right oh I'm English but I'm a Jew oh I'm American but I'm a Jew well you're in Egypt for like four hundred years and you didn't become addiction right sister I do that they're just gonna just become American and forget the to stuff it's like no no you have split loyalties I mean it's Sicily it's just very clear that like the bad ones very split loyalties anyway

America paying for his rails wall and all this chest it's just nonsense we're not stupid people aren't that stupid and again I've done very little digging in this but it's like it's getting to a point where I can't avoid finding it now it's like I've always just kind of be like I don't want to get in the juice stuff no that's gross don't want to get in it

Holocaust stuff now and I still just no opinion on the Holocaust so I don't want to don't want to get into that

why don't you want to get into it because you go to jail because it's illegal because you get is the one group you can't criticize right but no so I don't want to get into that other things you know we would like to maintain my credibility for other other causes but I'm getting to a point where you can't not see it now so yeah they

Jews have been kicked out of every place they've tried to inhabit because their sick teachings and habits

Yeah it's that kind of thing of like if a hundred other people are being nasty to you if everyone else is being nasty to you is it them or is it you was the common denominator

anyway guys that's not let's not spiral Outland no since Jews come over all the all the topics to spiral on

no archaeological evidence for Jewish flight from Egypt

what do you mean did you mean all the Jews are still in Egypt between the twos never went to Egypt to me that one they were never there

Well here’s the interesting thing, putting Egypt to one side, they've been to how many countries? How many countries now? One, two, three, four, five, six, many, many, many countries and at no point did they go fuck the stupid little hat and the biting baby dicks and stuff, I'm gonna become one of these these things, like how many countries have they gone through and they're still Jews, right? Not anything else, not Americans, not Egyptians, not Romans, not Germans, Jews, right? So just interesting, interesting fact.

Palestinians are not treated terribly unreasonably by Israel just as much Jordan kicked them out to stir up some star problems I don't know about that I have seen some pretty nasty stuff from Israel to Palestine but then seen some nasty stuff from Palestine to Israel so you know just I just want them to go away I just want them to go back to their countries and leave us alone you've got no use for them so anyway I don't know how we got onto that that's gonna be it for this stream folks or maybe on again later you know yeah into enjoyed chatting to you hope it was of some interest the night wasn't the most exciting stream there's always something to talk about so yeah that's it for this stream thanks for tuning in links down below share link up above like button and such yeah that's it for me folks we'll see you in another video goodbye
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:00 am

WTF OGMizen?

It's so disturbing to see people get sucked into this stuff.

As an aside: odd also that you always see them getting into this conspiracy stuff, while at the same time these people are usually IQ realists.
You never see them say "Jews are rich, oh they have genetically higher IQ that explains it, moving on..."
Shouldn't the "Jewish Question" have been asked and answered by their other beliefs without all of this evil conspiracy nonsense? It's like IQ is only important and explanatory when it tests lower than their own. How racist convenient.

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