I can assure you they criticize us for both caring too much about green smoothies and not caring enough about bacon. Which amounts to the same short sighted critique of trans people as "My guess is that they are gender fixated and/or victims of a gender fixated society."Jebus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:11 amI don't get the vegan "food fixated" part at all. Why would a vegan be "food fixated" and why would anyone consider a vegan food fixated? My personal experience has been the opposite, i.e. non-vegans don't think I love food as much as they do.NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:47 amIt's comparable to the notion that vegans are 'food fixated' and attention seeking, a vocal minority are.
I disagree, being too willing to draw the conversation to veganism where there isn't a strong association or a good reason to believe we can make an effective difference in how someone views animal suffering is the main thing carnists bash us over the head with, for promoting our identity as superior in all aspects of our life where it isn't always warranted.The attention seeking part is more understandable as vegans often see veganism as a dominant part of their identity. However, the consequences of an attention seeking vegan is usually positive.
All attention seeking for egotistical reasons are bad, but seeing transgender people succeed in their work in the public spotlight like Laverne Cox can be seen a good step for normalizing minority identities as much as vegan celebrities.I'm not sure the same can be said for an attention seeking transgender person.
I'm pretty sure this is something a-gender or gender-nonconforming people are quite vocal about, like why do we need toys for girls and toys for boys. What you appear to be talking about are transsexual people who want to 'pass/present' as the sex they believe they are mentally. And so use all the techniques you describe to 'accentuate' female characteristics. If you don't see those stylistic layers as desirable that's OK, but staking a claim on them not being a real expression of their true selves would be getting onto dodgy territory.I don't think that's a good analogy. Being black, provided that education is controlled for, predicts very little about one's behavior, whereas one can make some predictions of how a transgender will act.NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:47 amI'd just echo what equALLity said that you can't make a blanket statement about all black people
The idea that your gender should have anything to do with how long you grow your hair, what clothes or make-up you wear, or whether or not you wear a tie is ridiculous and I suspect this is something that will go away in the future. Hence I think transgenders are closed-minded in the sense that they feel a need to look like their current society expects their gender identity to look.