List of People I Can Do Without

[Red]

This is by no means an exhaustive list. I actually have them all written down.

So, give me a list of people that you can do without.

- Misanthropes who make lists of people they can do without

I should add an emoji, but it's too much work. Bad day?

Burn. Sounds like Red will need to spend some quality time with a bottle of aloe.

Already do.

[Jebus]

- Misanthropes who make lists of people they can do without

What's wrong with being a misanthrope? I can see how acting like one can be unproductive, but thinking like one seems rational and unhypocritical.

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- Misanthropes who make lists of people they can do without

I should add an emoji, but it's too much work. Bad day?

Burn. Sounds like Red will need to spend some quality time with a bottle of aloe.

Already do.

Is the person in your profile pic you or somebody else?

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Here is a list of folks I can do with out:

People who say "X means X" and they don't have a particular plan for this X (Tories, I am looking at you!).
People who yell at you for being a white, cisgendered, heterosexual and or a male, and don't realize that all struggle originates from class struggle.
Liberals.
Conservatives who claim that they are not liberals, and that socialists and communists are liberals.
People who claim that Syrian refugees are not fleeing terror and persecution, but are here to cause white genocide, and yet believe every single lie that comes out of a North Korean refugee's mouth.
Anybody who believe the lies spread by the right-wing liberal media about the DPRK.
Or about any socialist republics as a matter of fact (USSR, Maoist China, Vietnam, etc.)
Anybody who seriously believes that communism/socialism killed 100 million people.
Liberals who call themselves "left-wing", fuck you, you're not left-wing, you're centre-right.
People who hate Trump and Hillary as much as I do, yet STILL VOTED ONE OF THEM, because they believe that they are the "lesser evil". Fuck you, Hillary was gonna start war with Russia, and with Trump's finger on the nuclear button, well, who knows what will happen? Lesser evil, my arse. The only lesser evil was Gary Johnson, yes he was an idiot, but at least he meant well, but you could have just voted Jill fucking Stein, the goddamn greater good!
"Feminists" who supported Hillary Clinton.
"Anti-Establishment" people who support Donald Trump.
Anybody who supported or voted Hillary or Trump.
Blairites.
Blairites who claim that they are not Blairites, but just want to make Labour "electable" again.
Blairites who seriously think that splitting the Labour Party is a good idea.
The British Green Party, calling yourselves "left-wing" and "anti-austerity". Fuck you, if you really were, you would have endorsed Corbyn. You've given plenty of endorsements to Liberal and Independent candidates, why not any Labour candidates?
People who thought Ed Miliband lost because he was too left-wing (because Scotland never mattered, right?).
People who thought fucking LIBERALS Kinnock and Brown lost because they were too left-wing.
People who riot because a candidate they didn't like won an election (Hillary supporters, I'm looking at you!).
People who complain about those aforementioned people, and yet would have done the same things themselves if the candidate they didn't like had won (That's you, Trump supporters!).
People who want Cannabis to remain illegal because it "ruins families", yet have no problem with alcohol.
People who whine about North Korea being a "dictatorship", and say they are so glad to live in a democracy, without any sense of irony. This applies to both American and British individuals. You seriously believe the Electoral college and FPTP are "democracy"? Fuck you!
People who whine about North Korean "concentration camps", yet ignore South Korea's ACTUAL concentration camps.
People who whine about North Korean "media censorship", yet ignore South Korea's ACTUAL media censorship.
People who whine about North Korea having a nuclear weapon, yet are fine with their own country having far more nuclear weapons.
People who seriously consider North Korea a "threat to world peace" when their own country has committed far more atrocities in the past week alone.
Trump-supporters who complain about SJWs wanting to censor freedom of speech, but have no problem with Trump wanting to ban flags.
Liberals who complain about Trump wanting to ban flag-burning, when Hillary wanted the exact same thing.
Liberals who complain about Trump being a racist, when Hillary called black people super-predators.
Liberals who complain about Trump being an islamophobe, when Hillary has supported the bombing of innocent Muslims overseas.
People who think the Nazis were socialists.
People who think that anybody who does not want collective ownership of the means of production is a socialist.
People who believe that anybody who criticizes Israel is an Anti-Semite, even if that person is Jewish.
People who do the above, and ignore Israel's Nazi-like oppression of the Palestinians, including STAMPING FUCKING NUMBERS on them.
Liberals, again.
Fascists.

[brimstoneSalad]

- Misanthropes who make lists of people they can do without

What's wrong with being a misanthrope? I can see how acting like one can be unproductive, but thinking like one seems rational and unhypocritical.

That is an excellent question.
But it's also questionable whether that's even possible for most people. Thought tends to follow from habitual action; kind of how carnists tend to not care about certain animals because they eat them, rather than eating them because they don't care about them (although if pressed to rationalize they may cite that reason). Most people don't think that deeply about issues, and can't tolerate the dissonance of thought and action. Usually it's thought that changes, rather than action.

If you're kind and don't act like a misanthrope (without compulsion), you probably won't be one.
The only way you might is if some other force were preventing you from acting on those feelings.

That other force could conceivably be something like compassion for animals and an understanding of effective altruism. But then why be a misanthrope? It's like trying to swim with an anchor, and if you are concerned for doing optimal good for animals, it might be a good idea to cut that anchor loose so you act in a productive way more naturally rather than having to devote more energy to it. Being nice to people you hate can be emotionally draining. If your goal is to be a good swimmer, there's nothing rational about carrying an anchor around. Unless of course that hidden misanthropy is motivating, I suppose.
A more neutral outlook toward people in general is probably more productive, but maybe not as motivating.

[Dream Sphere]

To better reflect how I think and feel, this thread for me would more accurately be titled "Things People Do That I Wish They'd Stop Doing," as it's the specific actions/spreading of ideas that I more precisely have a problem with rather than wanting the whole person to go away.

Also, for misanthrope's sake.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lfpWDOzE5nM

[Jebus]

Sorry for the slow reply.

it's also questionable whether that's even possible for most people. Thought tends to follow from habitual action

I disagree. We are so used to being actors that we barely give it any thought anymore. Most of us pretend that we are not interested when we come across a man or a woman we find sexually attractive, and we rarely let it be know when someone we don't know annoys us.

If you're kind and don't act like a misanthrope (without compulsion), you probably won't be one.

Anecdotally, I've been a misanthrope who has rarely acted like one pretty much my whole life.

The only way you might is if some other force were preventing you from acting on those feelings.

These forces (societal) are always preventing us from acting on those feelings, and usually this is a good thing.

But then why be a misanthrope? It's like trying to swim with an anchor, and if you are concerned for doing optimal good for animals, it might be a good idea to cut that anchor loose so you act in a productive way more naturally rather than having to devote more energy to it.

This comment doesn't make any sense. How can one intentionally lie to oneself without oneself knowing that one is lying???

Being nice to people you hate can be emotionally draining.

Yes, but a lot less emotionally draining than actually confronting them.

[brimstoneSalad]

Yes, but a lot less emotionally draining than actually confronting them.

Not saying to confront them, that probably wouldn't be that helpful. Although it depends on how you did it.
It could just be better to let go of the hate (unless it's seriously motivating, it's probably just draining).

But then why be a misanthrope? It's like trying to swim with an anchor, and if you are concerned for doing optimal good for animals, it might be a good idea to cut that anchor loose so you act in a productive way more naturally rather than having to devote more energy to it.

This comment doesn't make any sense. How can one intentionally lie to oneself without oneself knowing that one is lying???

I'm not saying to lie, I'm saying to work through it and try to adopt a new perspective.
If you just try to see people a little differently, hate is no longer a compelling response.

Anecdotally, I've been a misanthrope who has rarely acted like one pretty much my whole life.
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These forces (societal) are always preventing us from acting on those feelings, and usually this is a good thing.

Again, kind of draining. Wouldn't it be better to just not have those negative feelings?
It may be a good thing that society keeps people from acting on these things, but why have those feelings if only to repress them?
Are they motivating? What good are these feelings doing?

I think their cost is probably higher than their benefit. It makes sense to shed them.

I disagree. We are so used to being actors that we barely give it any thought anymore. Most of us pretend that we are not interested when we come across a man or a woman we find sexually attractive, and we rarely let it be know when someone we don't know annoys us.

I think that's a perfect example on how acting on those feelings -- like expressing anger and ranting about it -- can actually make them worse.
Actions influence feelings. While not acting on them may not extinguish them entirely, particularly if that inaction is only public and you steam about them (or masturbate about them in the case of sexual attraction) in private, feelings tend to mold themselves to action.

Just as people who eat meat are likely to not care about those animals because they eat meat, not so much eat it because they don't care (although that may be the reason they give if asked).
This is why people going vegan for health reasons or allergies or something else often opens up the possibility of becoming a moral vegan where before that change addressing those feelings while being pressured by the actions would have been much more difficult.

[Jebus]

Wouldn't it be better to just not have those negative feelings?

I understand what you are proposing but don't see how it would be possible for an intelligent person. The feelings are there for a reason, and just ignoring them or trying hard to find merit in the opposite view point would be like intentional cognitive dissonance.

[brimstoneSalad]

I understand what you are proposing but don't see how it would be possible for an intelligent person. The feelings are there for a reason, and just ignoring them or trying hard to find merit in the opposite view point would be like intentional cognitive dissonance.

It would be intellectually dishonest if we were talking about ignoring facts or reasoned logic, or waving them away.
But feelings themselves are not necessarily rational. Because they have no rational basis, they can be dismissed with as much care.

Just as we can use rational argument to overcome logical mistakes, we can use non-rational processes to overcome unwanted or unproductive feelings.
It is intentionally using cognitive tricks to get rid of them. As long as we limit the application of such irrational or non-rational practices to irrational or non-rational feelings, it's not intellectually dishonest; it's more fighting fire with fire.