Rant Veganism

[Haterkid69]

I believe veganism will never become a world wide norm, I mean think about this, they're (you're) outnumbered what makes you think that just because let's say 10 people aren't consuming meat oriented products that a hundred aren't.
Some people say they're vegan because they love their pets and, again let's say for example pigs are smarter than dogs, so they should be treated the same, but the thing is dogs are treated like pigs all around the world, like China for example. Pigs in America,Canada,etc. Are seen as food, while dogs and cats etc. Are seen as pets. Most people don't want an animals that outweighs them, or is as big as their bed, etc.
I know what you might be thinking, "but just because they're seen as food doesn't mean they should be treated like machines" and "they're not good for you"
Of course their treatment should be waaaay better, Besides I don't buy my meat, I kill it myself and save its parts. Any argument that claims something isn't good for you should just stop, like for example McDonald's, they have restaurants that aren't out of business after being exposed for not completely cooking meat in their ingredients. (Pink slime, whatever the heck that is). Besides if it isn't good for us, allow us to die of a heart attack or something
Another argument I heard was how we don't eat our meat raw, different animals eat their food differently.
I was reading a youtube comment on how the economy would crash if meat consumption was done all of a sudden. And I think if the vegan image was somehow realised, the farm animals would be a strain on the economy, people would lose a lot of jobs, and we'd basically have to make all of them at a reasonably low population to be able to sustain their well beings.
One last thing for now, let's say there was 2 cliffs on one cliff a meat eater who actively hates on vegans or doesn't support veganism, on the other cliff a farm animal is somehow holding on, with the time it takes to save one the other will fall, which do you save?

[EquALLity]

I believe veganism will never become a world wide norm, I mean think about this, they're (you're) outnumbered what makes you think that just because let's say 10 people aren't consuming meat oriented products that a hundred aren't.

This isn't an argument against veganism.

Some people say they're vegan because they love their pets and, again let's say for example pigs are smarter than dogs, so they should be treated the same, but the thing is dogs are treated like pigs all around the world, like China for example. Pigs in America,Canada,etc. Are seen as food, while dogs and cats etc. Are seen as pets. Most people don't want an animals that outweighs them, or is as big as their bed, etc.

The point is that people who say they wouldn't kill dogs because they think it's wrong (most people in the USA) are hypocritical because killing pigs is worse.
If you think killing either are permissible, this argument doesn't really apply to you, but it's still a valid argument.

I know what you might be thinking, "but just because they're seen as food doesn't mean they should be treated like machines" and "they're not good for you"

1) More like, just because they're seen as food doesn't mean they should be. Why is it ok to kill animals because they are seen as food?
2) They're not good for you is a health argument that isn't really related to this.

Of course their treatment should be waaaay better, Besides I don't buy my meat, I kill it myself and save its parts.

That's great then, so you actually never eat meat that you don't obtain yourself through hunting? I think that's WAY better than supporting factory farming. However, there's no reason to kill animals at all when you can just eat plants.
Animals may not be as intelligent as humans, but they are sentient and their lives do have meaning. They can form bonds and feel emotions.
Why deprive a creature of that when you don't have to?

Any argument that claims something isn't good for you should just stop, like for example McDonald's, they have restaurants that aren't out of business after being exposed for not completely cooking meat in their ingredients. (Pink slime, whatever the heck that is). Besides if it isn't good for us, allow us to die of a heart attack or something

I don't understand your point here. Health matters. Just because most people don't care enough about health doesn't mean health doesn't matter.

Another argument I heard was how we don't eat our meat raw, different animals eat their food differently.

That's a response to the appeal to nature fallacy a lot of meat eaters use to justify eating meat. "Other animals eat meat so it's ok for humans to."

I was reading a youtube comment on how the economy would crash if meat consumption was done all of a sudden.

Er... A YouTube comment?
The YT comment section is notorious for being incredibly stupid.

And I think if the vegan image was somehow realised

The vegan image? What?

the farm animals would be a strain on the economy, people would lose a lot of jobs, and we'd basically have to make all of them at a reasonably low population to be able to sustain their well beings.

The world isn't going to go vegan at once.

One last thing for now, let's say there was 2 cliffs on one cliff a meat eater who actively hates on vegans or doesn't support veganism, on the other cliff a farm animal is somehow holding on, with the time it takes to save one the other will fall, which do you save?

The meat-eater, of course.

[miniboes]

I believe veganism will never become a world wide norm, I mean think about this, they're (you're) outnumbered what makes you think that just because let's say 10 people aren't consuming meat oriented products that a hundred aren't.

Opinions in society change. Throughout most of the 18th century, abolitionists were in the minority. Nowadays, you'll have a lot of trouble finding anybody that openly supports slavery in the western world. Nowadays, vegans are in the minority. In a hundred years, you might very well find it to be the norm.

I was reading a youtube comment on how the economy would crash if meat consumption was done all of a sudden. And I think if the vegan image was somehow realised, the farm animals would be a strain on the economy, people would lose a lot of jobs, and we'd basically have to make all of them at a reasonably low population to be able to sustain their well beings.

Try getting your information from another source than youtube comments. The guy writing it was probably not an economist. I've read a youtube comment claiming the moon is in fact a satellite NASA put there to make the US look good during the cold war. Does this seem like credible information to you?

]One last thing for now, let's say there was 2 cliffs on one cliff a meat eater who actively hates on vegans or doesn't support veganism, on the other cliff a farm animal is somehow holding on, with the time it takes to save one the other will fall, which do you save?

Do I have the time to make him swear he'll go vegan if I save him?
Just kidding. I'd save the human. Or I'd just be too slow/clumsy to do anything.

[EquALLity]

Opinions in society change. Throughout most of the 18th century, abolitionists were in the minority. Nowadays, you'll have a lot of trouble finding anybody that openly supports slavery in the western world. Nowadays, vegans are in the minority. In a hundred years, you might very well find it to be the norm.

Exactly. It may seem unimaginable now, but it seemed unimaginable during slavery that we'd eventually have a black President.

This really isn't even relevant, though. Whether or not veganism will become 'the norm' is totally irrelevant to whether or not you should be vegan.

Do I have the time to make him swear he'll go vegan if I save him?
Just kidding. I'd save the human. Or I'd just be too slow/clumsy to do anything.

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This really isn't even relevant, though. Whether or not veganism will become 'the norm' is totally irrelevant to whether or not you should be vegan

Well, the guy/gal posts a rant. It has no central statement. It's clearly anti-vegan, but I don't think he/she is saying 'veganism will not become the norm, therefore you should not be vegan'. Therefore I just responded to the claim that veganism will never become to the norm.