All I can think will happen in the United States presidential election of 2016.

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PsYcHo wrote:If it were down to Trump and Bernie, I would choose Sanders. I do not agree with all of his policies, but he seems more inclined to listen to the people.
What about Trump vs Hillary?
PsYcHo wrote:That is an oversimplification. Lots of people were prejudiced towards Obama for ignorant reasons, but a large, less-vocal contingent were merely against his economic policies, or more accurately the economic policies of the Democratic party. I run a small business, yet I am very liberal on most social issues. Think log-cabin Republican.
That may have been apart of it, but their fear of democratic economic policies is very different from our fear of a bigoted and dishonest candidate who seems to know nothing about policy and who intentionally manipulates people.
PsYcHo wrote:Obviously no, but they are doing very well economically. ;) Being twice your age (get off my lawn!), it may be hard to believe, but you and I probably want mostly the same things for the country. The current two-party system only works because both sides play the masses against each other like pawns, and most people fall in line and pick a side. I think Trump could be a catalyst to start to break up the parties. Worse case scenario, he serves four years, we elect a Democrat, and start the whole "your side sucks!" process again...... :|
I agree, we probably do want mostly the same things, if Bernie is your favorite.

I disagree about the worst case scenario. Trump is totally unpredictable- we have no idea what he'll do as President.
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EquALLity wrote: That may have been apart of it, but their fear of democratic economic policies is very different from our fear of a bigoted and dishonest candidate who seems to know nothing about policy and who intentionally manipulates people.
With the exception of the bigotry, this applies to Hillary as well. She may appear to be knowledgeable about policy, but the argument could be made that her time as Secretary of state was not....for the best. Both candidates (Trump and Hillary) have negative aspects, and each one's opposing side tries to make it seems as if they have nothing but negative aspects. I can see many positive things about Hillary. Is there even one area you feel Trump may be competent, or even excel at as president? (Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. ;) )

EquALLity wrote: I disagree about the worst case scenario. Trump is totally unpredictable- we have no idea what he'll do as President.
Based on every politician ever, we have no idea what any of them will actually do once elected. It is just accepted that they all lie to get elected. The thing I hate most is when they are asked a direct question, and instead of answering what could be a simple yes or no, they just spout off some pre-prepared talking point they already intended to discuss. If called out on this, they do the same damn thing again. Bernie seemed to be the most honest, but do you really think Hillary is truthful? The only way I would have voted for her would be if Cruz had managed to win the nomination. (He's the worst kind of politician. The holy, I'm such a good guy, liar.)
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Ted Cruz has dropped out! It is just as I predicted! All of what I have written here is coming true and I believe that it will be Mr. Bernie Sanders, your Democratic nominee and next President; I do not know how. Maybe Hillary will get an illness.

#FeelTheBern

EDIT: I disagree with this comment now.
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EquALLity wrote: That may have been apart of it, but their fear of democratic economic policies is very different from our fear of a bigoted and dishonest candidate who seems to know nothing about policy and who intentionally manipulates people.
With the exception of the bigotry, this applies to Hillary as well. She may appear to be knowledgeable about policy, but the argument could be made that her time as Secretary of state was not....for the best. Both candidates (Trump and Hillary) have negative aspects, and each one's opposing side tries to make it seems as if they have nothing but negative aspects. I can see many positive things about Hillary. Is there even one area you feel Trump may be competent, or even excel at as president? (Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. ;) )

EquALLity wrote: I disagree about the worst case scenario. Trump is totally unpredictable- we have no idea what he'll do as President.
Based on every politician ever, we have no idea what any of them will actually do once elected. It is just accepted that they all lie to get elected. The thing I hate most is when they are asked a direct question, and instead of answering what could be a simple yes or no, they just spout off some pre-prepared talking point they already intended to discuss. If called out on this, they do the same damn thing again. Bernie seemed to be the most honest, but do you really think Hillary is truthful? The only way I would have voted for her would be if Cruz had managed to win the nomination. (He's the worst kind of politician. The holy, I'm such a good guy, liar.)
Hello Psycho, I have read some of your comments and they are very interesting. Tell me, who would your vote be to in a Hillary VS Kasich scenario, which is also possible? Thank you AR and kind regards.
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Whoops, sorry, I forgot about this.
PsYcHo wrote:With the exception of the bigotry, this applies to Hillary as well. She may appear to be knowledgeable about policy, but the argument could be made that her time as Secretary of state was not....for the best.
What did she do that was so bad? Was she overly hawkish?

Hillary may be manipulative, but she's manipulative within the bounds of typical politics. Trump is an entirely different beast.
There's a reason why protesters don't get assaulted and have racial slurs thrown at them during Hillary's rallies.

Hillary is corrupt, but again, it's within the bounds of typical politics. She will give us incrementalist and mostly leftist change. We have no idea what Trump is going to do, and he doesn't seem to either.
PsYcHo wrote:Is there even one area you feel Trump may be competent, or even excel at as president? (Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. ;) )
I have no idea, because I don't know what he'll do. But I do know that what he currently says he'll do is insane and that his rhetoric is very dangerous.
PsYcHo wrote:Based on every politician ever, we have no idea what any of them will actually do once elected.
That's not true at all.

Hillary is lying to get elected, but we know she'll be a standard democratic politician like Obama. She lies within the realm of typical politics.
Trump is completely unpredictable.
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Here is what I think will happen. If Bernie gets the Democratic nomination, Bernie and Democrats are win, but this is unlikely. If Hilary gets the Democratic nomination, Trump and Republicans are win, which is most likely. I say this because Bernie is a popular candidate, even some Trump supporters like him, but Hillary is disliked (I don't dislike her, but many people do) and some Bernie supporters (like Psycho) will move to vote Trump. This is why if you are a Democrat who is undecided, you must vote Bernie because it is either him or Trump who will be President, and because Bernie is losing, I think Trump is the next President of the United States. Dystopia awaits...
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This very educational picture sums it all up really: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjoRqoJXIAAHIo2.jpg
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Hillary is lying to get elected, but we know she'll be a standard democratic politician like Obama. She lies within the realm of typical politics.
Trump is completely unpredictable.
When we started this discussion, I was kinda relating Trump to everyone's sorta racist Uncle. You know the kind, not overtly racist, but says some stupid racial things. (I have a 90 yr old relative who still insist on saying "colored", but he is well meaning.) I can't stand Republicans due to their stance on social issues, but I can't stand Democrats due to their stance on economic issues, and the fact they seem to overcompensate on some social issues. (35 million dollars for anti-smoking awareness for LGBT?! You could send a postcard to half of the country for less than that!) This is why I lean towards Liberatarinasim. I like(d) Trump because he was an outsider who said politically incorrect things, and when asked a question he would give an unpopular, but direct answer. (The deportation question at first, which I disagreed with his position, but I love he gave a straight answer, not a PC one.) But....

So for a week or so, he seemed like he was moving towards the middle ground, and was about to expound on his positions more thoroughly, instead of just parroting "It'll be great!" I run a small business and pay out taxes, so I was thinking maybe this guy can actually improve the economy. (One of the main pet peeves I have with the Democrats is the unemployment numbers. When someone stops being eligible for unemployment, they are no longer counted among the unemployed. This is blatant bull-shit they use to make the numbers look better on paper.) Bernie and Trump both agree that NAFTA was a bad deal, but just like the affordable care act, they have/had provisions that take place once the next president is in power. (I love the idea of universal healthcare, but my premiums for the cheapest plan cost more than my car payment, even though they were supposed to go down. I haven't been to a doctor in 10 years, why I am I paying 300+ a month?!!)

To get to the point, Trumps seems to be getting stupider by the day. I loathe Hillary and the buddy buddy system that permeates politics, but I find it harder to side with the same guy who would be applauded at a Klan rally. A vote for Trump seems to imply one is complacent about racism, a vote for Hillary seems to imply one is complacent about a corrupt elitist government. So I no longer plan to vote for Trump. I also do not plan to vote for Hillary. If they are the two choices come election day, I will buy a large bottle of Bourbon whiskey, put in a comedy movie DVD, then ask RedApple for some pointers on ignoring politics. :(
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PsYcHo wrote:then ask RedApple for some pointers on ignoring politics. :(
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