Is the academy award committee unfair to black actors?

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Re: Is the academy award committee unfair to black actors?

Post by Jebus » Sun May 08, 2016 12:05 pm

Volenta wrote:I think Harris' views are problematic as well.
In what way? Do you mean his views are problematic or the fact that he is stating his views?
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Sun May 08, 2016 4:23 pm

Volenta wrote:A fair comparison would be to reverse the whole history and other context is well. And in that case I don't think you can justify painting a picture of a peaceful Israel (instead of Palestine) in that case either. Indeed, it would be very similar.

I think Harris constructed this thought experiment because of the intuitive appeal it has to take away any sympathy for the Palestinians. It has no real value in thinking about the subject.
I agree that would be a more fair comparison, but fairness and sympathy doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. Just because I understand HOW a monster was created, and I can sympathize with that monster, doesn't make it any less of a monster.
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brimstoneSalad wrote:If they would, though, then that's relevant. Because I don't believe this is an issue of "rights", but rather overall consequences, seeing a slightly less evil civilization flourish over a more evil one is the lesser evil (slightly).
Sounds to me like your appealing to some kind of social justice. Even if I didn't think Harris' comparison experiment was faulty, I don't think there is a good philosophical argument to support your claim. I don't think there is any ground to just give less moral consideration to more evil people. This exceeds primitive moral intuition, so it's probably the more controversial claim to make, but I think it is nonetheless the correct one.
No, I'm just appealing to consequence. All consequences being equal, I don't think evil people necessarily deserve less moral consideration: but in terms of winning a conflict, where one will survive and come out superior in power and influence, I favor the lesser of evils because the effects on the world are a little better. I'm less afraid of Israel and how it will influence the world. The forces at work in Palestine gaining any kind of power or influence (as they are now, and how they have been created to be a monster) would be much more dangerous.
Volenta wrote:This might be true to some extent, but I don't think it would be a reason to be against it.
Candy for dinner is better than starving, of course. And a Palestinian democracy (democratically elected theocracy) may be better than the state it's in now. But maybe not. What if it ends up just being a better organized terrorist state?
Volenta wrote:We tend to forget that the west has taken it's time as well (not really that long ago really on historical scale), which was also not without massive illiberal problems either.
Sure, but can we afford such a state existing today, potentially to fund terrorism, and protect those terrorists from the law?
Maybe this is one of a few cases, because of what Palestine has been turned into and the amount of hate generated (the fault of the U.S. and Israel, but none the less) that it's better for them not to be organized.
I think questions like this make things more complicated.
Volenta wrote:I think it's harder for Israel to support it, given the threat Israeli Jews see of them of becoming in the minority.
That's a big concern, yes. It's a difficult situation all around.
Volenta wrote:I think this is not only a problem of liberal shows, but a problem of shows in general. Maybe this is even somewhat inevitable.
Probably. Although conservative shows tend to have token liberals, don't they?
Volenta wrote:The Rubin Report is probably also attracting a particular type of viewers, and turning away others because of this guest selection.
Do you think this will bias the direction his show takes?

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Post by Volenta » Sun May 08, 2016 5:26 pm

Jebus wrote:In what way?
In being ill-informed about Israel's intentions, the bad thought experiment I talked about earlier (and in general the lack of proving of any history context by the way; this is not a high-quality analysis, but possibly not meant to be one anyway), in rattling on about the human shield usage of which no evidence has been provided, constantly demonizing 'Palestians' in rhetorical tones without presenting specifics or statistics (which he claims he's always providing), in making this all about religion, and so on.
Jebus wrote:Do you mean his views are problematic or the fact that he is stating his views?
Are you seriously asking this?

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Post by Jebus » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:06 pm

Does anyone know the percentage of black nominations for the 2019 academy awards. Seems to be a lot. A lot of people on the news is calling this progress. Although I don't know the exact numbers I suspect this spectacle is guilty of reverse discrimination.

12.3 percent of the American population is black. Assuming that roughly 12.3 percentage of people entering the movie industry is black and assuming that this percentage is equally talented to the other 87.8%, wouldn't a fair (non racist) number of nominations be around 12.3 percent (with acceptable variance at around +- 5%?
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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:39 pm

Jebus wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:06 pm
Does anyone know the percentage of black nominations for the 2019 academy awards. Seems to be a lot. A lot of people on the news is calling this progress. Although I don't know the exact numbers I suspect this spectacle is guilty of reverse discrimination.

12.3 percent of the American population is black. Assuming that roughly 12.3 percentage of people entering the movie industry is black and assuming that this percentage is equally talented to the other 87.8%, wouldn't a fair (non racist) number of nominations be around 12.3 percent (with acceptable variance at around +- 5%?
I assume you mean black actors as this is what the thread title reads.

I've ran the numbers and out of the twenty nominees for Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor and Best Supporting Actress, two are black, putting them at 10%.

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Post by GoldenWatch1809 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:52 pm

I don't really pay much attention to this stuff (mainly since I barely ever watch movies), and I've never watched any Academy Awards in my life.

That being said, I remember hearing this one time about Jamie Foxx getting angry at Quentin Tarantino about using the term 'ghetto' in an acceptance speech, which I thought was pretty stupid. :roll: Just another reason why I don't pay much attention to entertainment related stuff.

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Post by Jebus » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:30 am

GoldenWatch1809 wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:52 pm
I remember hearing this one time about Jamie Foxx getting angry at Quentin Tarantino about using the term 'ghetto' in an acceptance speech, which I thought was pretty stupid.
Lol, I wonder what Jamie thought about the "take your foot of the nigger" line in Pulp Fiction.
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Post by Jebus » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:31 am

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:39 pm
I assume you mean black actors as this is what the thread title reads.
Nope. I expanded the discussion to all nominations to get a better sample size.
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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:18 am

Jebus wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:31 am
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:39 pm
I assume you mean black actors as this is what the thread title reads.
Nope. I expanded the discussion to all nominations to get a better sample size.
Ah. Well, I might try and find that out later but it will take a while because of the fact that there are a lot of people nominated.

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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:54 pm

@Jebus Okay, so I've ran the numbers and out of the 212 people nominated for an Oscar, 15 were black, putting them at 7.075%. However, out of the 50 people who won an Oscar, 7 were black, putting them at 14%.

Here's the full list:

Anthony Tiffith - Black
Barry Jenkins - Black
Hannah Beachler - Black
Jordan Peele - Black
Kendrick Lamar - Black
Kevin Willmott - Black
Mahershala Ali - Black
Mark Spears - Black
Peter Ramsey - Black
RaMell Ross - Black
Regina King - Black
Ruth E. Carter - Black
Spike Lee - Black
SZA - Black
Terence Blanchard - Black
Adam Driver - Not Black
Adam McKay - Not Black
Ai-Ling Lee - Not Black
Alexndra Byrne - Not Black
Alexandre Desplat - Not Black
Alfonso Cuaron - Not Black
Alice Felton - Not Black
Alison Snowden - Not Black
Amy Adams - Not Black
Andrew Chesworth - Not Black
Andrew Wyatt - Not Black
Anthony Rossomando - Not Black
Ansgar Frerich - Not Black
Barbara Enriquez - Not Black
Barry Alexander Brown - Not Black
Becky Neiman-Cobb - Not Black
Benjamin A. Burtt - Not Black
Betsy West - Not Black
Bill Gerber - Not Black
Bing Liu - Not Black
Brad Bird - Not Black
Bradley Cooper - Not Black
Brandon Proctor - Not Black
Brian Currie - Not Black
Bryn Mooser - Not Black
Bobby Pontillas - Not Black
Bob Persichetti - Not Black
Caleb Deschanel - Not Black
Ceci Dempsey - Not Black
Charles B. Wessler - Not Black
Charlie Wachtel - Not Black
Chris Corbould - Not Black
Chris Lawrence - Not Black
Christian Bale - Not Black
Christopher Miller - Not Black
Clark Spencer - Not Black
Craig Henighan - Not Black
Dan DeLeeuw - Not Black
Dan Sudick - Not Black
Darren Mahon - Not Black
Dave Shirk - Not Black
David Fine - Not Black
David Rabinowitz - Not Black
David Rawlings - Not Black
Dean A. Zupancic - Not Black
Deborah Davis - Not Black
Dede Gardner - Not Black
Diane Quon - Not Black
Diane Warren - Not Black
Domee Shee - Not Black
Dominic Tuohy - Not Black
Ed Guiney - Not Black
Ed Perkins - Not Black
Elizabeth Chai Vasarhelyi - Not Black
Emma Stone - Not Black
Eric Roth - Not Black
Erik Aadahl - Not Black
Ethan Coen - Not Black
Ethan Van der Ryn - Not Black
Eugenio Caballero - Not Black
Eva Kemme - Not Black
Evan Hayes - Not Black
Fiona Crombie - Not Black
Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck - Not Black
Frank A. Montano - Not Black
Gabriela Rodriguez - Not Black
Gillian Welch - Not Black
Glenn Close - Not Black
Goran Lundstrom - Not Black
Gordon Sim - Not Black
Grady Cofer - Not Black
Graham King - Not Black
Greg Cannom - Not Black
Guy Nattiv - Not Black
Hank Corwin - Not Black
Hirokazu Kore-eda - Not Black
Ian Hunter - Not Black
Jaime Ray Newman - Not Black
Jason Blum - Not Black
Jason Ruder - Not Black
Jay Hart - Not Black
J. D. Schwalm - Not Black
Jeff Whitty - Not Black
Jeffrey Friedman - Not Black
Jenny Shircore - Not Black
Jeremy Comte - Not Black
Jeremy Kleiner - Not Black
Jeremy M. Dawson - Not Black
Jessica Brooks - Not Black
Jim Burke - Not Black
Jimmy Chin - Not Black
Joel Coen - Not Black
John Casali - Not Black
John Myhre - Not Black
John Ottman - Not Black
John Walker - Not Black
John Warhurst - Not Black
Jonathan Chinn - Not Black
Jon Taylor - Not Black
Jose Antonio Garcia - Not Black
Joslyn Barnes - Not Black
Julie Cohen - Not Black
Kate Biscoe - Not Black
Kathy Lucas - Not Black
Kelly Port - Not Black
Kevin Feige - Not Black
Kevin J. Messick - Not Black
Lady Gaga - Not Black
Lee Magiday - Not Black
Louise Bagnall - Not Black
Ludwig Goransson - Not Black
Lukasz Zal - Not Black
Lynette Howell Taylor - Not Black
Mamoru Hosoda - Not Black
Marc Pilcher - Not Black
Marc Shaiman - Not Black
Maria del Puy Alvarado - Not Black
Maria Gracia Turgeon - Not Black
Marianna Farley - Not Black
Marie-Helene Panisset - Not Black
Marina de Tavira - Not Black
Mark Ronson - Not Black
Marshall Curry - Not Black
Mary H. Ellis - Not Black
Mary Zophres - Not Black
Matthew E. Butler - Not Black
Matthew Libatique - Not Black
Melissa Berton - Not Black
Melissa McCarthy - Not Black
Michael Eames - Not Black
Mildred Iatrou Morgan - Not Black
Nadine Labaki - Not Black
Nathan Crowley - Not Black
Neal Scanlan - Not Black
Nick Vallelonga - Not Black
Nicole Holofcener - Not Black
Nicole Paradis Grindle - Not Black
Nicholas Britell - Not Black
Nina Hartstone - Not Black
Nuria Gonzalez Blanco - Not Black
Olivia Colman - Not Black
Pamela Goldammer - Not Black
Patricia Dehaney - Not Black
Patrick J. Don Vito - Not Black
Patrick Tubach - Not Black
Paul Lambert - Not Black
Paul Massey - Not Black
Paul Schrader - Not Black
Pawel Pawlikowski - Not Black
Peter Farrelly - Not Black
Peter J. Devlin - Not Black
Phil Johnston - Not Black
Phil Lord - Not Black
Rachel Weisz - Not Black
Rami Malek - Not Black
Rayka Zehtabchi - Not Black
Raymond Mansfield - Not Black
Richard E. Grant - Not Black
Rich Moore - Not Black
Robbie Ryan - Not Black
Rob Bredow - Not Black
Rob Epstein - Not Black
Rodney Rothman - Not Black
Rodrigo Sorogoyen - Not Black
Roger Guyett - Not Black
Russell Earl - Not Black
Sam Elliott - Not Black
Sam Rockwell - Not Black
Sandy Powell - Not Black
Scott Rudin - Not Black
Scott Wittman - Not Black
Sean McKittrick - Not Black
Sergio Diaz - Not Black
Shannon Dill - Not Black
Skip Lievsay - Not Black
Skye Fitzgerald - Not Black
Steve A. Morrow - Not Black
Steve Boeddeker - Not Black
Steven M. Rales - Not Black
Su Kim - Not Black
Talal Derki - Not Black
Theo Jones - Not Black
Tim Cavagin - Not Black
Tobias N. Siebert - Not Black
Tom Ozanich - Not Black
Tony McNamara - Not Black
Trevor Jimenez - Not Black
Tristan Myles - Not Black
Vincent Lambe - Not Black
Viggo Mortensen - Not Black
Wes Anderson - Not Black
Willem Dafoe - Not Black
Will Fetters - Not Black
Yalitza Aparicio - Not Black
Yorgos Lanthimos - Not Black
Yorgos Mavropsaridis - Not Black
Yuichiro Saito - Not Black

Hope this helps.

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