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Kyron wrote:Choosing to take the sentient life for "taste" is, immoral. and if your argument is "it's only immoral because it's human, and humans are the most intelligent species" - then, what about the mentally handicapped? There are many humans who are vegetables, incapable of basic cognitive thought. Would it be okay to kill and eat them? The argument is inconsistent.

depends on the situation, if we were stranded on a mountain with no food, then the human vegetable would go first.
But in regular life, he probably has family / friends who wouldint like the idea of me eating him and go after me
especially when I have other options like chicken

why is choosing to take a sentient life(other than human) for "taste" immoral?
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3strung5u wrote: depends on the situation, if we were stranded on a mountain with no food, then the human vegetable would go first.
Really? What about the one who dies first due to other causes? Surely the first one of us will die in a situation like that, and it probably won't be due to starvation. Maybe accidentally eating a poisonous fruit, or getting attacked by an animal. So we'll just leave his body? We do have a need to survive, and in situations like that (which will never happen to any of us on this forum), eating the one who dies first may sound immoral,(which it is) but survival is a top priority. But what makes the mentally disabled one worth less than everyone else? Why does he have to be the first one to be eaten in survival situations? Hes still just as sentient as you and me, just with a disability. Not to mention, on a mountain there have to be other sources of food, such as fruits from some trees, etc.

im tired of typing wrote:But in regular life, he probably has family / friends who wouldint like the idea of me eating him and go after me
especially when I have other options like chicken
Or an apple? No but seriously, this statement makes me feel as though this guy the troll, or just stupid. I mean, it could be other reasons, but from the looks of it, they don't really stand out.
OP wrote:why is choosing to take a sentient life(other than human) for "taste" immoral?
Because that's just a stupid reason to eat meat. We have no real reason for it, and eating it just for the taste is selfish. In the wild, a lion doesn't eat a gazelle just for the taste. Sure it may taste good to the lion, but eating the gazelle means that It will have enough energy for the next few days. Just saying.
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RedAppleGP wrote: Because that's just a stupid reason to eat meat. We have no real reason for it, and eating it just for the taste is selfish. In the wild, a lion doesn't eat a gazelle just for the taste. Sure it may taste good to the lion, but eating the gazelle means that It will have enough energy for the next few days. Just saying.

Im not looking for a reason to eat it,taste is enough, im looking for a reason not to.
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OP: Lean tetrapod meat is not healthy.

Occasional sea food may be health neutral compared to the average vegan diet, but tetrapod meat (meat from "land animals"), even lean meat, is bad for you. It causes heart disease and cancer (fish doesn't contribute as much to heart disease, it may cause cancer too, but the Omega fatty acids may also be somewhat protective so it may balance out relative to a typical vegan diet).

Kyron wrote: What is right or wrong? It's a very blurry thing to define and it's pretty subjective.
Not subjective. Subjective implies opinion. Morality is complicated and at times uncertain due to incomplete information.

Compare morality to a particle of imprecisely known position and velocity -- a wave function of uncertainty.
Only people like Deepak Chopra claim quantum physics means reality is subjective (relative to our beliefs and opinions) due to that.

Morality, like quantum physics, is absolutely in no way subjective. It's just difficult to measure precisely because we can't perfectly predict the future and know all variables.

However, we can get in the right ballpark.
Kyron wrote:You could say that what Hitler did was good for society, as the war pushed technology into an age that would have taken decades had there not been a drastic reason to engineer computers.
Right, so these are more like grey areas. We don't have enough data to be able to say what would have happened otherwise.
It's the same as what we would call error bars on statistical analysis of scientific results.

Things like war have positive and negative effects, which make it complicated to weigh them and determine what is really good.
Killing the Jews, however, was certainly bad, because it had nothing whatsoever to contribute to the technological advances brought about by the war which could arguably be called good. The error bars do not overlap neutral or veer into the reasonable possibility of "good".

Likewise, with animal agriculture. There is nothing good about it. It's bad for the animals. It's bad for the environment. It's bad for our health, and the economy, and pretty much everything else.

Animal agriculture isn't a grey area -- it's just bad, like the holocaust itself.


RedAppleGP,

There's only very little wrong with eating brain dead humans, or those who died but were not killed by or for you. Not sure where you got the idea that it was particularly bad. It's comparable to grave desecration, not murder.
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There are many reasons:

1. Suffering of animals: Watch Earthlings. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

2. Environment Destruction: Watch Cowspiracy

3. Health: Uprooting the leading causes of death https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Eg0WL6NCE

4. People affected: (Poverty, food deprivation, effect of global warming as a result of animal ag, exacerbating problems for some groups of people)

If you can take back a single thing from this comment, watch EARTHLINGS
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OP wrote: Im not looking for a reason to eat it,taste is enough, im looking for a reason not to.
Health reasons, morality reasons, not taking part in the suffering of animals, not wanting to take part in global warming, environmental impact.. look these are just a few. What other reasons do you have, aside from "it tastes good?"

Look, I know you are a troll, but why would you waste your time doing such trivial crap? Surely, you could be doing something else more, say, productive. Ah who am I kidding? You're not get stop trolling until you get banned, which will be very soon.
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brimstone wrote:

RedAppleGP,

There's only very little wrong with eating brain dead humans, or those who died but were not killed by or for you. Not sure where you got the idea that it was particularly bad. It's comparable to grave desecration, not murder.
Well, a human vegetable is basically just unaware of surroundings and consienceness. I was just saying that the human vegetable, although unable to react, doesn't have to be the first one to go if there are other food sources. Which brings up the question: why in the hell would you bring a human vegetable on a trip that could result in such a way?
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RedAppleGP wrote:why in the hell would you bring a human vegetable on a trip that could result in such a way?
For a snack, duh. Human vegetables are the new trail mix, don't ya know.
RedAppleGP wrote:You're not get stop trolling until you get banned, which will be very soon.
If you want him banned, you need to ask him serious questions, and he needs to avoid answering them/evade them.

As long as he's answering your questions and engaging in the discussion (even if not very intelligently), and doesn't break any rules, he can't be banned.
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brimstoneSalad wrote:
RedAppleGP wrote:why in the hell would you bring a human vegetable on a trip that could result in such a way?
For a snack, duh. Human vegetables are the new trail mix, don't ya know.
Damn I really need to get with the times..
RedAppleGP wrote:You're not get stop trolling until you get banned, which will be very soon.
brimstoneSalad wrote:If you want him banned, you need to ask him serious questions, and he needs to avoid answering them/evade them.

As long as he's answering your questions and engaging in the discussion (even if not very intelligently), and doesn't break any rules, he can't be banned.
Dammit. Alright I'll give it a try.
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Alrighty OP, I'll attempt to reason with you. What rational, reasonable explanation do you have for eating animals? Surely, just because they may taste good, is not any reason to eat them, morally speaking. Is it due to any beliefs/culture? Do you have a health need to consume the stuff? Do you live in an area where eating meat is the only go to (like an area with many droughts)? Please, anything other than "it tastes good". I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, and saying that you're not a troll, and you legitimately only eat meat because of the flavor. Please, I really wanna know, and I'm sure some other people here would also like to know.
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