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Beyond Carnism - Melanie Joy

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VrZPBskpg

I just stumbled across this talk and thought it was pretty great. Thoughts?
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That was really great. Thanks for sharing. I must be honest, when you first mentioned Carnism, my first reaction was negative, as I think it was Prof. Francione who coloured my opinion of her (in a negative light). After watching the video, I was pleasantly surprised. Very well presented.
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I think this presentation will hit a note with those who assume that veganism is some type of hippie subculture not to be taken seriously. She comes across as very professional.
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TheVeganAtheist wrote:I must be honest, when you first mentioned Carnism, my first reaction was negative, as I think it was Prof. Francione who coloured my opinion of her (in a negative light).
Can you remember what his problem was with the word 'carnism'? I can't see anything that's really wrong with it.
Jebus wrote:I think this presentation will hit a note with those who assume that veganism is some type of hippie subculture not to be taken seriously. She comes across as very professional.
I agree, we need more of that.
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Great video!
TheVeganAtheist wrote:when you first mentioned Carnism, my first reaction was negative, as I think it was Prof. Francione who coloured my opinion of her (in a negative light).
It's a pretty safe bet that any vegan Francione doesn't like is spreading the right message. ;)

Veganism needs more rational advocates like this.
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Jebus wrote:I think this presentation will hit a note with those who assume that veganism is some type of hippie subculture not to be taken seriously. She comes across as very professional.
I couldn't help but seeing her in contrast with Gary Yourofsky. Where Yourofsky presents emotionally and is very radical at times, Melanie Joy presents the arguments in a very calm, rational and non-offensive way, all with a friendly smile. This is the kind of person that I want advocating veganism, not a Yourofsky or Francione.
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Volenta wrote:
TheVeganAtheist wrote:I must be honest, when you first mentioned Carnism, my first reaction was negative, as I think it was Prof. Francione who coloured my opinion of her (in a negative light).
Can you remember what his problem was with the word 'carnism'? I can't see anything that's really wrong with it.
Jebus wrote:I think this presentation will hit a note with those who assume that veganism is some type of hippie subculture not to be taken seriously. She comes across as very professional.
I agree, we need more of that.
I honestly dont remember at this point. It was a long time ago.
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miniboes wrote:
Jebus wrote:I think this presentation will hit a note with those who assume that veganism is some type of hippie subculture not to be taken seriously. She comes across as very professional.
I couldn't help but seeing her in contrast with Gary Yourofsky. Where Yourofsky presents emotionally and is very radical at times, Melanie Joy presents the arguments in a very calm, rational and non-offensive way, all with a friendly smile. This is the kind of person that I want advocating veganism, not a Yourofsky or Francione.

Funny, because my wife's reaction was opposite. She much preferred Yourofsky's passionate (emotionally delivered) presentation over Melanie Joy's. I agree with you. Her style is definitely more appealing to me.
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Pretty good presentation! !!1
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TheVeganAtheist wrote: Funny, because my wife's reaction was opposite. She much preferred Yourofsky's passionate (emotionally delivered) presentation over Melanie Joy's. I agree with you. Her style is definitely more appealing to me.
Just goes to show, different methods to appeal to different folks. Seems to be the same for atheism.

I wonder if the same people who need intellectual or emotional arguments need them for both?
Has your wife seen any emotional arguments for atheism?
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