Racism in Veganism - 2018 Year in Review

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Racism in Veganism - 2018 Year in Review

Post by NonZeroSum » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:23 pm

Racism in Veganism - Philosophical Vegan Wiki

Racism in Veganism - 2018 Year in Review (video)
  • Isaac defending Cory and Tara McCarthy on race IQ
  • Isaac stating his belief that having mixed race children will likely be lower IQ
  • His promotion of Jack Green while he knew his nazi beliefs.
  • Jack’s full outing himself as classical nazi.
  • Trying to cover his tracks without public retraction and denounciation.
How Racist is "Ask Yourself" on a Scale of 1 to 10?

Against "Race Realism": my DNA & IQ debate vs Ask Yourself.

Eisel covering his attempts to shift Isaac away from his racist beliefs.

How Stupid is Vegan Gains on a Scale of 1 to 10?

Eisel on why was Vegan Gains friends with Cory and Tara who publicly specified that they want to have him kicked out of North America?
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Post by Red » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:29 pm

Jeez, never realized how prevalent the issue was.
Hopefully, these people won't be the first impression some have on veganism. :/
How many of thee people can get to read the wiki article?
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Post by NonZeroSum » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:05 am

There's something very wrong with Isaac's wishful reading/viewing comprehension and memory:

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Ask Yourself wrote:The worst is the Theo vid he cites as evidence.
It just takes clips of me out of context.
Saying things like
"If only you listened to what the alt-right has to say!"
When the actual context is me saying
"If only you listened to what the alt-right has to say, you'd understnad how to form proper arguments against them instead of using strawmen."
You can watch the source video from 16:33 to see the full clip, there's no deceptive edit: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x706ztk

"Yeah so again, that’s a straw-man, they don’t believe that civilisation is white only, they believe it is high IQ only, and Eisel you would know this if you actually listened to what the alt-right has to say, now obviously this view is true in a sense, once the average IQ is low enough it would obviously be impossible for that group to have any kind of advanced civilization, like I mean a group of mentally retarded people could not maintain an advanced civilization. . . "

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Isaac wrote:
Eisel wrote:Yes he has debated many, many people on "the Race and I.Q. question". . .
Lmao. Does anybody ever notice that Eisel literally just makes things up constantly? How could he possibly make a claim like this? Like this is literally just a false claim. When have I ever debated someone on this topic? Maybe in passing or something?
An example from reality:
On Philosophy & Neuroscience | Ask Yourself Pirate Radio #2

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NonZeroSum wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:56 pm
Isaac wrote:
NonZeroSum wrote:3. You weren't interested in debating that smaller channnel because no clout, how you treat most interactions. . .
“You weren’t interested in debating smaller channels”: I understand your listening skills are virtually nonexistent, but this is provably false by examining my record. . .
Lol at talking about my lack of listening comprehension while literally typing out a mis-quote of what you wanted to read, "that smaller channel" was the quote, go back and try again.
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Post by ShadowStarshine » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:44 pm

I personally can't stand AY, I think everyone knows that.

But at most at this point, from these videos and notes we can say he is a race realist. He may (Or does) think that race and IQ have a link. He has already stated that he thinks this holds no moral imperative nor called for doing anything about it. I've seen nothing of him talking about wanting other races out or different treatment.

This guilt by association stuff is nonsense. I have a lot of friends with crazy positions given that I'm on discord debate servers and I like to argue about such things. I would promote people with positions anti to mine because I like expression, I want it out there, and I want to disagree with it.

Could AY be racist beyond what is stated? Yeah, it is surely possible. But I would rather wait to see than accuse him of it. (Though, I hope it's true, because it would be hilarious to me).

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Post by Jamie in Chile » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:51 pm

Are these people, with their online presence, actually important in the vegan movement? They are not the ones quoted in the media, and they are not mentioned on other vegan forums I post on other than this one.

I personally never noticed vegan racism. One forum I post on it is the opposite - like strong support for black lives matter and no tolerance of any negative comments about black people, for instance.

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