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Ask Yourself's beef with Unnatural Vegan

Post by NonZeroSum » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:56 pm

1. UV: "The conclusion does not follow from the premises"
AY: She's wrong and should retract.
2. UV: "Don't want to promote someone who. . . hangs out with racists."
AY: "She's called me a racist, well she has plausable deniability."
3. UV: "interesting the only person he wants to 'debate' is the person with far more subs"
AY: She thinks I only ever debate larger channels.

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1. Philo pressured you and talked to JHC and Avi who I strongly suspect were majority behind formalizing A version. How you use NTT in debate still skips abunch of premises and cringeworthy to hear you pretend to have cornered people.
2. You do promote racists like Cory and JF.
3. You weren't interested in debating that smaller channnel because no clout, how you treat most interactions, the 'debate me bro' bloodsports mentality.

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Ask Yourself wrote:Ahhh, a baseless post from the scumbag who stealth records people against their consent in Discord, shares Dr. Avi’s dms, and smears me baselessly as a racist online. One of the most obvious bad actors I’ve encountered so far in my life. Let’s examine this.

“Philo pressured you”: I have no idea what this is supposed to refer to.

“JHC and Avi who I strongly suspect were majority behind formalizing”: Alright let’s put your idiocy to the test Theo, I’ll bet you $3000 that both of these people will reject your baseless assertion and additionally that there is direct photographic counter-evidence. But I highly doubt you’ll actually stand behind your claim.

“How you use NTT in debate still skips a bunch of premises”: There aren’t a bunch of premises, there are two, lmao. I don’t see any reason to believe you understand the argument to begin with, which seriously compromises your ability to make assessments like this. Also, evidence?

“You do promote racists”: I’ll talk to people from any political camp, the fact that you consider them to be racists is just irrelevant guilt by association.

“You weren’t interested in debating smaller channels”: I understand your listening skills are virtually nonexistent, but this is provably false by examining my record, this holds true currently and at the time UV made the claim. Repeating a false claim doesn’t make it true.
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Lol at talking about my lack of listening comprehension while literally typing out a mis-quote of what you wanted to read, "that smaller channel" was the quote, go back and try again.

You admit to hanging with racists which was all UV said, so there is no discrepency, people are entitled to find that distasteful without you putting words in their mouth, like you do for me as well without evidence. You used to buy into racist views from who you chose to consume, hook line and sinker, and who you keep for company.

Suspect was a safe bet with JHC being the only one formally trained, just like I suspect UV would still find your use of NTT to be bad advocacy, something that either didn't even occur to you or something else that you completely missed the ball on, as per usual.

Releaseing the DMs between me and Avi was necessary because you chose to defame me based on a second hand interpretation of the conversation neither participant believed.

Most of the recordings would have gone up on your channels if you just did the poll sooner, I just didn't care to sign up to your terms after you encouraged people to break our terms on the forum.
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:26 am

Thanks for reposting this.
I was looking for this in the comment thread, I guess it got deleted somehow (Did he delete it, or was it automatic deletion due to spam filter?).

Anyway, do you have UV's original quotes? Based on what you're saying, it looks he was misunderstanding what she said?
Would be good to have those here for people to reference, they're on youtube and twitter, right?

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Post by NonZeroSum » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:30 am

brimstoneSalad wrote: Thanks for reposting this.
I was looking for this in the comment thread, I guess it got deleted somehow (Did he delete it, or was it automatic deletion due to spam filter?).
He must have hidden it or blocking me retroactively hides it? I can still see it if I'm signed in, but if I look through private browsing it's gone, and he originally sent people the link to the comment on discord for people to view his reply. He just didn't like that I further replied, he's done this before on facebook too.

He's seen this thread now anyways:

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Ask Yourself wrote:My channel will keep growing, @unnaturalvegan. And I will continue to use whatever power I have to hold you accountable for the lies you’ve spread. There’s no brushing this under the rug. The longer you leave this unaddressed, the larger I grow, the more people will know. 
You sound like a cringy 80s pop song ahaha.. The higher you build your barriers The taller I become. No matter 'cause there's Something inside so strong. I know that I can make it. Though you're doing me wrong, so wrong.  philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?…

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brimstoneSalad wrote:Anyway, do you have UV's original quotes?
Aye I quoted 3 short sentance of UV at the top, limited by small phone can't do that transcript copy paste or screen cap, but yeah he collected up all the sensibility (ego) 'offending material' and put them in a video called "UV should defend/retract her odd claims."
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