brimstoneSalad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:06 am
ABLC (since we're talking about his video here, sort of) made some good videos on Black Lives Matter, asking if they had an explicit statement of non-violence that could be used to condemn people doing violence in their name. I think that's a very good question to ask, with or without enforcing trademark.
Yes they could try to do that, it's difficult because it's a reactive movement in it's infancy, here's a pledge linked to from their site in full below which includes "We pledge to allow our thinking and actions to be guided by love." The movement which started out as a twitter hash tag consists of a list of chapters and people putting forward policy goals they want to go after and campaign for locally and nationally, the best that can be done at the moment is point to the pledge and show examples of people peacefully protesting and co-operating with the cops.
To: Black peoples and our allies
Take the Pledge: We Are the Movement for Black Lives
Our Movement is under attack. Many want us to stop moving forward. Show them that we can't stop. Stand with the Movement for Black Lives.
Why is this important?
Guided by love, we continue to stand together for justice, human dignity and our shared goal of ending all forms of state violence against Black people. We organize, occupy, demonstrate, march and chant for a new future: A future we can be proud of. We stand on the shoulders of our ancestors, who fought for their freedom and ours. Like them, we want a world where our lives matter.
We want an end to the war being waged on Black people, in all its forms. Some people fear change, and that's ok. Many will attempt to halt our progress. That is not ok. Some will continue their attempts to undermine us, but we will remain undeterred.
For far too long, our unjust deaths have meant business as usual in this country. No more.
Our work remains undone until our lives are free of violence. That is the future we imagine.
Until that day comes:
We pledge togetherness--- we will not allow ourselves to be divided.
We pledge to allow our thinking and actions to be guided by love.
We pledge to bring courage and power into our communities, and stop their flow out.
We pledge not to be controlled by fear, but instead by our dreams.
Join us, and pledge to do the same: Stand with the Movement for Black Lives.
NonZeroSum wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:22 pm
Gad Hakimi who created the flag wears ALF hoodies, so do his friends, and lives in Israel and doesn't support the Palestinian BDS Campaign, probably not the best start publicity wise for dividing opinions,
Yikes! (on the ALF stuff)
Front and centre of his facebook page "Founder of Vegan Flag" an interview with Animal Liberation Front
https://www.facebook.com/goodgad
It does seem if this is an Israeli chapter they do more openly direct action everywhere type protests, which is odd because in the UK I've seen people wearing ALF prisoner support merch who was himself ex-ALF, spent time in prison, but never someone openly declaring themselves to be in ALF, aren't they terror listed in most countries?
החזית לשחרור בעלי חיים-Animal Liberation @alfront
Front for the liberation of animals
https://www.facebook.com/Alfront/
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhaipo.co.il%2Fitem%2F60729&edit-text=&act=url
(Does he oppose BDS, or just not support it?)
I mean I started out saying it's just a symbol and people should use it if they think it's catchy. And yeah he just replies 'no comment' when asked about BDS or anything to do with Palestine, so you might say that's the best to stay single issue, but it's already at that peak politicization point, if he's an activist not talking about attempts to have his flag produced by Palestinians or funds going to support the segregated Palestinian underclass then merch bought directly from him in Israel falls under the boycott. I could understand if it was an Israeli scientist not interested in food production or something it would be wrong to bother them on the question, or cultural events that promote Jewish diaspora internationalism is also great with me or right to exist within pre-1967 borders, as Hitch says lots of countries are started for stupid reasons, but the right of return for Palestinian families is still a substantial one.
ABLC talks somewhere about how it's interesting small countries where threat of war is seen as ever present also have thriving vegan subcultures (even if per capital meat consumption is still high), would be interesting to hear more people breaking down the reasons for this and statistics.