What do you think has been the most influential discussion on veganism to date?

[NonZeroSum]

/ help me list conversational videos between 2 or more people, or series of response videos.

Just a bit of fun, but need videos I can promote as interesting conversations relating to veganism for my online resource library, so please list any you know.

You can also change your vote and will keep re-organizing the list.


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Vegan video resource library
https://activistjourneys.wordpress.com/vegan-video-resource-library/


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Peter Singer - The Genius of Darwin: The Uncut Interviews with Richard Dawkins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xxdMUuZXUY

22 Days Nutrition - Beyonce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GKqil3a7po

Why I'm Not a Vegan | Stef Sanjati
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLHV7s1sSxA

Roaming Millennial Live Debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPKt47OAvaM

VEGANS CONFRONT MEAT EATERS IN THE STREET!!! #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGKSfba-quQ

Bearing vs Vegan Gains Live Debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-VdZyxW4I4

DEBATE: Vegan vs Vegan (Gary Francione vs Bruce Friedrich)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1qFdR1cHA

Philip Wollen : Animals Should Be Off The Menu debate | Subtitles in 18 languages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

Why I'm not an intersectional/social justice vegan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXKhJ1TQwL8

[DarlBundren]

That interview between Dawkins and Singer was one of the first intellectually stimulating videos that I saw when I turned vegan/vegetarian. I am not sure if it's something I would show in my local library though. Have you considered the crash course philosophy on non-human animals?

[NonZeroSum]

That interview between Dawkins and Singer was one of the first intellectually stimulating videos that I saw when I turned vegan/vegetarian. I am not sure if it's something I would show in my local library though. Have you considered the crash course philosophy on non-human animals?

Sorry my resource library hehe, edited to clear up the confusion. Asking for books to be ordered into your local library is good mini-activism for reaching new readership among local browsers.

Aye Dawkins intellectual honesty is refreshing, any other discussion you can think of between 2 or more people?

[brimstoneSalad]

I'm not sure what you're qualifying as a discussion here, many of these are just videos/events which barely mention any kind of discussion or past comment.

"or talked about on video after the fact?" Almost every video around includes something like that, explaining past conversations and personal experience to relate to the audience. Yourofsky has, I think Melania Joy has (in her beyond carnism talk: http://www.carnism.org/), and Greger has too on occasion. Almost every talk I've heard. It's just a common practice in speaking to relate to the audience.

Like UVs videos just kind of responded to an idea the audience had generally, and mentions some comments as examples. I don't think that's a discussion. Same with the Beyonce and the Stef Sanjati things; Stef mentioned an experience she had that changed her mind... but it wasn't so much about that as the bad reasoning she used to justify herself.

Just mentioning in passing some distant conversation or general sentiment a group holds and responding to it I think is not the same kind of discussion as something actually captured on camera or made as a response videos to a specific person who then responds in turn.

There are lots of Q&As out there too, but I don't think those really count either. I think you need more of a back and forth, otherwise the bar is too low and so many things will be included.

[NonZeroSum]

I'm not sure what you're qualifying as a discussion here, many of these are just videos/events which barely mention any kind of discussion or past comment.

"or talked about on video after the fact?" Almost every video around includes something like that, explaining past conversations and personal experience to relate to the audience.

Like UVs videos just kind of responded to an idea the audience had generally, and mentions some comments as examples. I don't think that's a discussion. Same with the Beyonce and the Stef Sanjati things; Stef mentioned an experience she had that changed her mind... but it wasn't so much about that as the bad reasoning she used to justify herself.

I think Melanie joy mentions in passing something like that too (some past conversation) in her beyond carnism talk: http://www.carnism.org/

Just mentioning in passing some distant conversation or general sentiment a group holds and responding to it I think is not the same kind of discussion as something actually captured on camera or made as a response videos to a person who then responds in turn.

I thought the Beyonce video was her talking to her chef and starting a new diet, and the Stef Sanjati video was a live hangout and followup video, I get that a video 'follow up' on a previous discussion wouldn't qualify as a discussion, just didn't want to restrict to only live debates and direct response videos back and forth, so accepting big events in the youtube mileu that meant the person was responding to audiance comments or a plethora of response videos, that would be lower down the scale from live discussion and off the scale in your eyes. If you only view live debates as legitimate, only suggest that I dont mind, do you have any suggestions for videos?

[brimstoneSalad]

I thought the Beyonce video was her talking to her chef and starting a new diet,

Was her chef trying to convince her to go vegan? If so, that video might qualify. If it's her her telling her chef she wants to try vegan, probably not.

If you only view live debates as legitimate, only suggest that I dont mind, do you have any suggestions for videos?

I think a back and forth of videos, like UV and HHV on Splenda might qualify... although that's not really topical.

I seem to remember something with a guy called "Think Fact" who might have replied.

[NonZeroSum]

I think a back and forth of videos, like UV and HHV on Splenda might qualify... although that's not really topical.

I seem to remember something with a guy called "Think Fact" who might have replied.

Thank you that helps, I asked the question on the other thread for live debates and series of response videos that went past the 2 original, hence back and forth, but didn't get any interest so mixed it up with most influential event for veganism and videos discussing that. I didn't want to have to go through every single response video checking if the person responded so relying on more avid viewers help.

Re: Effect of Sucralose (Splenda) on the Microbiome (cherry-picking clickbait)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDb0TCx17c

HHV Splenda video
https://youtu.be/Z7imWbgZph8?t

Splenda is safe and happy healthy vegan is wrong again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs6G4h6oFU

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Do Generalizations Prove Humans Are Not Omnivores?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx8y32oaFQI

Kill animals for culture? (response to Think Fact)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdunD6ycFro

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https://www.facebook.com/unnaturalvegan/photos/a.141891509155755.25394.141883069156599/1121621141182782/?type=3&theater
Really?
Like...Really? You're serious, here?
Did Swayze has answered something to that...incredible argument?

I actually really like Swayze. I find her to be very critical of even her own movement to try to pull people back on track and I admire that. But, I understand she's built a brand around Veganism, and even when I present arguments or my cultural reasoning it would only be expected she could not simply agree with me as could not most vegans because that would be making an excuse for non-vegan behavior. They can't have that. Which once again is what worries me about individual to try to propagate veganism.

Here's my message to her,

" Unnatural Vegan I feel you are heavily manipulating my reasoning. My reasoning for not propagating and engaging in veganism is because it destroys more than just cuisine, but also clothing, identity, relationships, and so much more. I'm all for individuals wanting to be vegan if they personally want, but I simply cannot support enforcing veganism unless the individual themselves chooses to be apart of it. To criticize a people while we live in such a privileged country that has crafted much of its identity on ideology rather than symbolism, I find extremely disheartening.

I enjoy being able to take part in cultures around the world. Because unless we see the world as they do, we cannot understand them. One day the world may become an entirely vegan society, but that will be a result of individuals choosing to drop consumption of meat and usage of animal products personally, rather than forcing it on an entire culture.

The Western world has done quite a bit of influencing and destroying of other cultures, to me this movement can go too far. If an individual from a culture wants to take part in veganism, power to them. I will not be a part of a movement to accelerate the destruction of a culture which is often done by generalizing horrific animal abuse to be in all farming operations. Because once culture/identity is gone, it's often impossible to reobtain.

I will criticize along your side the mistreatment and disgusting nature of factory farms, but I will not generalize people around this planet because often the context of their relationship with animals is not the same as the one you are experiencing. If I'm going to go around the world and learn about people, I’m not going to impose upon them to accommodate my lifestyle.

Beyond that, I should inform you that I mostly maintain a vegetarian diet as it is unless I can ensure where the animals came from. Though I still stand by the scientific fact that humans do have the capability to consume animal products. Which is what my video discussed. Doesn't mean you have to.

Now, I don't want you to think of this as a personal attack, I actually really enjoy your show and I've watched you multiple times. You are one of my favorite Vegans on YouTube, and I often direct people to go to your channel as well as TheVeganAtheist on many issues. I feel both of you do a great job properly representing or community that has established itself on individuals redefining their own cultural habits. But that's not for me.

Take care and be well."

Thanks for the answer, but...do you realize what you wrote? Culture?!! That...doesn't make any sense, in a culture made at 90% of the last 50 years, and for a problematic meat consumption only in western countries...It doesn't make any sense, at all.
The issue is cattle suffering, the issue is waste of the resources and pesticids abuse to meet the cattle needs. The meat consumption, twice a day all day by 4.4 billions western people, cut the south america forests to harvest soya, threatening aborigen cultures more than "changing diet in western world". The issue is the GHG produced by food industry, mainly by meat and dairy production : Some sources speak about a GHG quantity produced greater by any kind of transportation means around the world, so it's not a minor cause of global warming, at all. And it will change the earth, environment, and hence culture more than any other things in the world...and not in good, I guess...
Do you see the unbalance, the irony in your argument?
(Note that you could be meat eater or vegan : I only criticize your opinion here)
And the worst is that you can check all these informations on peer reviewed publisher website. Far from the cherry picking other vegan youtubers make sometimes, you can have your own judgement on this...But with logical, rational arguments, don't you think?

In summary, your arguments are...sorry, but stranges. Something is missing, or not said.
I'm vegan, and nothing, nothing in my life have changed, in good or in bad. So I don't understand your point.

Thanks anyway. Sorry for the terrible english

Veganism isn't just about food. It's clothing, it's animal husbandry, it's tradition, its identity, and much more. And nobody quite knows how far is too far. Should we all strip animals from people? The people who practice animal husbandry who treat their flocks as respectfully as pets, is that okay? Can nobody own animals? Because I am always dealing with conflicting views.

Of course countries like the United States, China, and so forth have a extremely intense factory farm operations that are absolutely disgusting, but to enforce veganism on the globe because of the monstrosities committed by western countries without considering the behaviors and smaller cultural groups found all throughout the world whether it be locals in the Andean high lands and how they incorporate llamas and alpacas in their culture, or the countless others around the world.

There is a change to a more global culture, but that has to be completely dependent on individuals wanting to be a part of it and not enforce. Western society has done enough disruption of cultures around the world, I draw the line at the implications of veganism. So long as people are enabled to have the choice to be a part of the majority culture or disassociate them with aspects of their old one, there should be no need to get involved.

Take care and be well.