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What would it take for AMP3083 to go vegan?

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Quotes taken from an interview they linked 2 days ago, if the views no longer represent you I apologize, feel free to expand and explain the context of your comments.

https://amp3083.wordpress.com/2016/08/13/commentary-on-veganism-from-a-mentor/

In answer to his own question he has said:
AMP3083 wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 11:56 pmDo you think you will ever convert to full veganism (health or ethical)? Me personally, I am not a vegan, but my exposure to it has made me more conscious of my dietary choices, not that I wasn’t before. I do eat meat from time to time but usually when it’s served by relatives, or when I’m in the mood for it.
For his health:
AMP3083 wrote:I can say these scientific studies tell us that consuming meat/dairy is the leading cause of cancer and heart disease, but how do I know if any of that applies to me, specifically? Cancer doesn’t run in my family, I watch what I eat, do daily workout and overall take good care of myself. From the health perspective, I am feeling pretty good. So it is on that basis which I can make a decision through my individual experience. Unless a red flag comes up along the way, then look into it and apply some changes where it’s necessary.
So they are willing to take the risk like smoking, because they are unconvinced how likely that will be the ultimate cause of their failing health or death.

For the environment:
AMP3083 wrote:Some people say it’s better to convert to veganism because it’s sustainable for everyone on the planet including the planet itself. Undoubtedly, I do believe the greater, positive impact this would have for people and the planet, yet at the same time I do not see a vegan world to be realistic at all, that is to say every individual is a vegan.

Lastly, some argue that our current technology is such that eating meat is completely unnecessary, to which they mean that where one has an easy access to a vegan diet should have no “excuses” to continue eating meat. This is the place where our vegan friends have reduced the rest of us–we are excuse-ridden if we have no interest in veganism and continue eating meat, apparently. It sounds as if non-vegans are in a state of delusion or dilemma. It’s a tiresome argument. What are your thoughts on these issues?
They have anarchist politics, I can’t find anything on their lifestyle choices, but I wonder if they reduce their carbon footprint because they are distasteful about the direction our society is going? And if so why cutting out animals for humans benefit isn’t also a good option.

For the animals:
AMP3083 wrote:I’m not big on milk or cheese (I’d rather get the non-dairy stuff like almond milk, etc. and I can live without cheese). While we’re on the topic though, I’m always curious to why others say milk is not for people. I mean, I haven’t any problem with this in general but is there any logical explanation for it? As for meat, I think some of them are are gross and some I can handle, as most of us grew up on that stuff and can’t help it. But I wouldn’t mind a full vegan diet either but it is not completely in my nature, at least not yet
So question the value of changing your nature. Whether it's realistic to imagine you can effectively change the world to veganism. And possibly some confusion over what it means to be anti-speciesist by hosting this video on your youtube channel without a disclaimer:

James Corbett: Veganism
https://youtu.be/k5pOEpCCK2o

I mentioned watching Unnatural Vegan's video after she made the same mistake for clarification:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fePeFVNohM

Also if video games say anything about a person this brave hero was willing to risk his own life by throwing himself in-front of a truck which surely should have flattened him, in order to steal a car and free a cow with it's head trapped in a fence, they even ran after it to check it was ok... oh wait, he just wanted to punch it. Jokes :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-147ybUUXI&index=4&list=PLVvR7-f81RSB6pjIWmOE-1Z7ZWE69ha3z

Other vegans:

The unease with what it would mean to identify as vegan. They’ve re-posted a comment and a video criticizing the time vegans spend talking about ethics of meat when there are so many other political challenges in the world:

https://amp3083.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/response-to-united-for-animal-liberation/

And the dogmatism/splits within the vegan community over ethical vegans calling dietary/health vegans not vegan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTx_d8pau3c
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You should have posted this one too:

https://plus.google.com/109962215079387517038/posts/JCviehxHryf?iem=4&gpawv=1&hl=en-US

Right now, that is the primary link that I prefer vegans to check out and join. Come on Zero, if you have questions to ask us, then I suggest making a contribution to that thread.

Look, I'm happy you're giving my links more exposure which is what I'm all about, that is why I created the blogs in the first place because they're comments which I think deserve more attention regardless if you think so or not. You're not obligated to respond to them, but as long as you've seen and read it, then my job is done.

I feel like my forum debut has made a big impact on Zero.
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AMP3083 wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 10:24 pmYou should have posted this one too:
I've explained that post doesn't interest me at all because it has nothing to do with veganism. It's just playing around with word games to try and frustrate universalists over to nihilism. One of the vegans talking about egg production got through to JJ about unnecessary suffering to a certain extent because they said they would stop eating battery eggs, but it was more of a side-note to the discussion.

I want to know specifically why you prefer contributing to an industry that causes untold suffering? And why if it's just where you were born, how you were raised, why you wouldn't want to take steps to change?
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NonZeroSum wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 10:51 pm
AMP3083 wrote: Sun May 14, 2017 10:24 pmYou should have posted this one too:
I've explained that post doesn't interest me at all because it has nothing to do with veganism. It's just playing around with word games to try and frustrate universalists over to nihilism.
Anyone with a different perspective can say that about the other party. So I'm sorry Zero but that's your opinion. You will agree that the author of the thread takes no responsibility to "playing word games" and "frustrating" partners in discourse as he has made it clear it's only his writing style. What do you mean the thread has nothing to do with veganism? We were talking about the moral principles of the vegan philosophy.
I want to know specifically why you prefer contributing to an industry that causes untold suffering? And why if it's just where you were born, how you were raised, why you wouldn't want to take steps to change?
Eek! Did you not read all of the discussion in that link? Someone has already asked this question ("Why aren't you vegan yet?"). Same thing, except you've reworded it differently. What else am I supposed to tell you guys? Yes, I was raised into a meat eating culture, as I assume we all were, and I still do.

You said why I wouldn't want to take steps to change? Not true. I may not be vegan, but my exposure to veganism has made me more conscious of my dietary choices. I currently live with my family, they buy most of the meat and dairy stuff. I do eat some meats when they serve it, and as for dairy, I'm not big on milk or cheese. I often opt for the vegan options at the store when I shop by myself. If I were to transition to veganism it'd be for health not ethical. Some people like me just take a lot longer to get there.
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AMP3083 wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 12:11 am Anyone with a different perspective can say that about the other party. So I'm sorry Zero but that's your opinion.
Please don't be sorry, I hope you'll stick around and we can have lively discussion where no one pulls their punches, for example 'that's your opinion' is a fatuous statement, who else's opinion were you expecting me to give? You want hard hypothesis and deeper discussion, I'm just saying you're asking the wrong questions with no hope of results. I'll just sit this one out on the sidelines and watch, you can tell me how productive you felt the conversation was by the end.
Someone has already asked this question ("Why aren't you vegan yet?").
To which JJ dodged and you said it was irrelevant.
Yes, I was raised into a meat eating culture, as I assume we all were, and I still do.
I was raised vegetarian, which you could call counter cultural to the meat eating one, there are gradations of mainstream cultures that accept meat eating from India where nonviolence towards animals is one of their founding philosophies with mandatory labeling and only 30 percent are regular meat-eaters to Sweden where 10% are vegetarian and there are always options in restaurants and social attitudes are positive.
I currently live with my family, they buy most of the meat and dairy stuff. I do eat some meats when they serve it,
and as for dairy, I'm not big on milk or cheese. I often opt for the vegan options at the store when I shop by myself. If I were to transition to veganism it'd be for health not ethical. Some people like me just take a lot longer to get there.
That sounds like a good line to set for yourself to start, not directly contributing to the industry yourself and only doing it to make others happy, can I ask how old you are? You don't have to answer, just in terms of cooking experience.
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NonZeroSum wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 1:59 amPlease don't be sorry, I hope you'll stick around and we can have lively discussion where no one pulls their punches, for example 'that's your opinion' is a fatuous statement, who else's opinion were you expecting me to give? You want hard hypothesis and deeper discussion, I'm just saying you're asking the wrong questions with no hope of results. I'll just sit this one out on the sidelines and watch, you can tell me how productive you felt the conversation was by the end.
I'm expecting a solid backing for your opinion of disinterest in the post. I'm sure my partner in the other thread I made would be left unsatisfied if I used "word games" and "frustrate" to describe his comments about science and math.

If you want to have a lively discussion, you'll have to get off the sidelines. Just sayin'.

To which JJ dodged and you said it was irrelevant.
Talk about asking the wrong questions with no hope of result -- that WAS a wrong question. It's interrogation. It's a prick move. It's trying to frustrate non-vegans over to veganism. (wink)
That sounds like a good line to set for yourself to start, not directly contributing to the industry yourself and only doing it to make others happy, can I ask how old you are? You don't have to answer, just in terms of cooking experience.

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