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Re: A Thread about Vegetarianism on a Latin Forum

Post by brimstoneSalad » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:29 pm

@teo123 The point about B-12 is better made that we supplement many farmed animals on it. The reasons may not matter; I don't know if it's accurate that antibiotics are more to blame, or the diet they're fed.
The point about antibiotic resistance is good, you could emphasize that's one of the few real existential threats to humanity.

I think you need to expand on the Omega 3 part, and it's useful to talk about EPA/DHA and the availability from algae for older people and babies who may benefit from it (young adults probably only need ALA).

The last part about protein isn't necessarily a great point when it comes to adult diets. Adults and infants may have different needs. It's fine as part of the argument, but you might also reference chimps and nutritional consensus to make a more complete argument. And mention that vegans can easily get a lot of protein too from a primarily bean and green based diet (avoiding cereal grains and sweet fruits) which can support significant muscle mass as seen in many vegan strength athletes.

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Post by teo123 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:18 am

brimstoneSalad wrote:I don't know if it's accurate that antibiotics are more to blame,
As far as I know, there is no controversy that antibiotics cause B12 deficiency in cows.
brimstoneSalad wrote:The point about antibiotic resistance is good, you could emphasize that's one of the few real existential threats to humanity.
Now, as far as I know, that is a fairly controversial subject. Many people know it's controversial, and treating it as if it weren't controversial damages your credibility. It's unclear how much factory farming contributes to antibiotic resistance, because not many bacteria that attack cows and pigs also attack humans. The best thing that can be said is that it probably has some effect now, and that maybe it will be much more of a problem in the future.
brimstoneSalad wrote:I think you need to expand on the Omega 3 part, and it's useful to talk about EPA/DHA and the availability from algae for older people and babies who may benefit from it (young adults probably only need ALA).
I don't really see the point here. I know there is a difference between plant and animal omega-3-acids, and that human body can, with efficiency that varies between individuals, convert between plant and animal omega-3-acids. But what's the point of trying to get a lot of omega-3-acids if the evidence that they help isn't really there? This whole story about omega-3-acids preventing heart-disease is based on yet another false story, that Inuits have a particularly low rate of heart-disease. I can't do a lot of reasearch about it on-line right now, I only have a few MB of Internet left this month.
brimstoneSalad wrote:The last part about protein isn't necessarily a great point when it comes to adult diets.
Why exactly? If anything, small children should need *more* protein, since they grow fastly, than adults.
brimstoneSalad wrote:nutritional consensus
I don't think such papers are evidence of consensus. A study, showing, for example, that 97% of climate scientists agree that anthropogenic global warming is real, is a relatively convincing piece of evidence. A bunch of nutritionists agreeing to sign a "declaration" that says that vegetarian diets aren't harmful really isn't. It's fundamentally no different from "Deklaracija o Nazivu i Položaju Hrvatskog Jezika", where a bunch of linguists signed that Croatian and Serbian are different languages. A few decades later, even more linguists (including Noam Chomsky) signed the "Deklaracija o Zajedničkom Jeziku", that Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian and Montenegrian are the same language.

Anyway, go ahead, edit my essay before re-posting it on some other classics forum, if you think you can make it better.

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Post by teo123 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:48 am

So, @brimstoneSalad, have you tried sharing that essay on some other forums about classics? If so, can you link there? And do you think that's likely to change anybodies mind there?

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:46 am

@teo123 I don't really have time for other forums, although I know it might be beneficial to post elsewhere and link back here.

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Post by teo123 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:09 pm

@EquALLity, you know a lot about history. Do you also happen to know some Latin?
What do you think about the essay about vegetarianism I've written in Latin? It's available at the bottom of this web-page. If it's down (000webhost is having a lot of problems recently), I think I've also posted it somewhere in this thread.
If you think it's good, would you find some active forums about classics (or wherever you think people are likely to know Latin) and repost it there? If you think you can make it better, feel free to modify it. I've already posted it on the TextKit forum, however, I currently only have access to the slow and expensive cellular Internet (there aren't many WiFi hotspots here in Donji Miholjac, and you usually get 2G EDGE connection and sometimes 3G H+ connection, 4G is only available in the cities), and I have many real-life issues, so I am not really in a position to spend time researching which classics forums on the Internet are active and sign up to them. @brimstoneSalad also thinks it is a good idea, but he or she also doesn't have time to do that.

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