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Vegan Thunderdome, many advocates enter, only 5 leave alive.

Post by NonZeroSum » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:16 pm

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Introduction to Vegan YouTube
https://activistjourneys.wordpress.com/introduction-to-the-vegan-youtube-community/

Page in the Video Library, to go in the Library Preview pamphlet and can print as it's own pamphlet to appeal to those wanting to try going vegan.

Suggest, debate, spar, fight to the death...

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Survey: What channel would you recommend to someone looking for content on...

New to Veganism

Entertainment

• Celebrities
• Comedy
• Musicians

Health
• Cooking
• Nutrition
• Fitness
• Product Reviews / Unboxing

Lifestyle
• Gardening / Homesteading
• Minimalism / Zero Waste
• Freeganism

Activism
• Public Lecturer
• Street advocates
• Farm Sanctuaries
• Save Movement – Baring Witness
• Social Justice / Intersectional approach
• Online Debate

Ethics
• Consequentialist
• Virtue
• Deontology
• Nihilism
• Religion


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New to Veganism

1. Unnatural Vegan
2. ModVegan
3. James Aspey
4. Erin Janus
5. So You’re Dating A Vegan

Challengers:

• Mic the Vegan
• Bite Size Vegan
• Those Annoying Vegans
• CrashCourse
• TED

Suggest your own: .........

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Entertainment

Celebrities

1. TheEllenShow
2. steveo
3. Tana Mongeau
4. thekatvond, Kat Von D Beauty, Kat Von D World

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Musicians

1. SiaVEVO, Sia
2. Wu Tang Clan, Banks & Steelz
3. Morrissey
4. Crass
5. Capleton

Challengers:

• Moby
• Blink 182
• Rage Against the Machine
• Chumbawamba
• Seize The Day

https://activistjourneys.wordpress.com/vegan-musicians/

Suggest your own: .........


Comedy

1. JennaMarbles, Jenna Julien, JennaMarblesVlog
2. Natalie Tran – communitychannel, natalie
3. Simon Amstell
4. Bethany Black
5. Josef Lincoln

Challengers:

• Edwins Generation
• Wavy Carbs
• Regan The Vegan
• Vegetable Police

Suggest your own: .........


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Health

Cooking

1. MommyTang
2. hot for food
3. Cheap Lazy Vegan
4. The Vegan Corner
5. Mary’s Test Kitchen // Vegan Cooking

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Nutrition

1. NutritionFacts.org

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Fitness

1. Rich Roll
2. Vegan Gains
3. Vegan Athlete
4. Hench Herbivore
5. PlantbasedAthlete

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Product Reviews / Unboxing

1. Eco-Vegan Gal

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


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Lifestyle

Gardening / Homesteading

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Minimalism / Zero Waste

1. ModVegan
2. Plant Based Bride

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Freeganism

1. Shelbizleee
2. Carb Up and Carpe Diem!
3. EcoPeaceful
4. Dumpster Cam
5. Unnatural Vegan

Challengers:

https://activistjourneys.wordpress.com/freeganism/

Suggest your own: .........


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Activism

Public Lecturer

1. Bite Size Vegan
2. Gary Yourofsky
3. Joey Carbstrong

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Street advocates

1. James Aspey
2. Joey Carbstrong
3. Earthling Ed
4. Banana Warrior Princess

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Farm Sanctuaries

1. farmsanctuary

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Social Justice / Pro-Intersectional Approach

1. Mexie
2. a privileged vegan
3. ModVegan
4. Reg Flowers
5. Abantu May

Challengers:

https://activistjourneys.wordpress.com/intersectionality/

Suggest your own: .........


Online Debate

1. Vegan Gains
2. Ask Yourself
3. Chris Hines
4. OGMizen
5. Liam Anthony

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Media Interviewee

1. James Aspey
2. Joey Carbstrong
3. Earthling Ed

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


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Ethics

Consequentialist

1. Unnatural Vegan

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Virtue Ethics

1. SisyphusRedeemed

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Deontology

1. Gary L. Francione

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Ethical Nihilism

1. à-bas-le-ciel

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........


Religion

1. Koi Fresco

Challengers:

Suggest your own: .........
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Post by Lay Vegan » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:23 pm

I'd add in Plant Eats under lifestyle (he has over 8,000 subs). His channel is centered around veganism, yoga, food etc.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpfkq3uR963-bQPLWoWNDGQ/featured

He's got a good range of video topics, and most of them are commentary-style, where he discusses pressing issues within the vegan community. He refers to them "Voice of Reason" videos.

I actually enjoy his muckbang/cooking videos the most. Mostly because it's great not seeing an orthorexic, overly health-obsessed vegan talk about food. However, he doesn't quite have enough food-related videos to consider him a health/nutrition channel, so I'd add him under lifestyle.



In the New to Veganism Section, where is Bite Size Vegan?

She has far more subscribers than James Aspey and "So You're Dating a Vegan" combined. And although she's no longer active on YouTube, has an extensive back-catalogue of videos with valuable info to new vegans and the vegan-curious.

Not sure how appealing Mic would be to non health conscious vegans.

Looks great btw :)

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 pm

Lay Vegan wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:23 pm
Not sure how appealing Mic would be to non health conscious vegans.
Or health conscious vegans who aren't fond of his dogmatic opposition to any and all oil, and the intellectual dishonesty he engages in to obfuscate the truth that not all oils are the same.

I would swap Mic out for Healthy Crazy Cool. He's not perfect, but I think he falls on the good side and he has a lot of health videos already and some credentials (even if not mainstream).

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Post by Lay Vegan » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:02 am

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 pm
Or health conscious vegans who aren't fond of his dogmatic opposition to any and all oil, and the intellectual dishonesty he engages in to obfuscate the truth that not all oils are the same.
Good observation. This is the reason I tend to avoid food/health conscious vegan activists.

Rather than relying on expert nutrition advise and honest thorough research to advocate for the vegan lifestyle, many (though #NotAll) dietary vegans promote false/incomplete information about vegan nutrition to sway people into a specific diet that they personally find acceptable. Or they promote conspiracies about doctors and nutritionists all being funded by the dairy industry (so basically don't trust the "shill" experts). As you stated, its dishonest, but I think it's much worse than that. Quite frankly, I find it deceptive, and potentially dangerous. And maybe a little cult-like? :?
brimstoneSalad wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 pm
I would swap Mic out for Healthy Crazy Cool. He's not perfect, but I think he falls on the good side and he has a lot of health videos already and some credentials (even if not mainstream).
Thanks for recommending, I've never heard of that person, will check them out out for sure. I'd love to see more science-enthusiast vegans speaking rationally and honestly about vegan nutrition. I'm growing tired of the fruitarian, high carb-low fat, raw dieting dogma. It's bad activism.


I have another recommendation for the health/lifestyle category. Her channel name is "Pick Up Limes." She claims to be a dietitian, but I haven't verified her credentials. Just an ordinary person who happens to be a dietitian making videos on nutrition, traveling, minimalism, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq2E1mIwUKMWzCA4liA_XGQ/videos

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Post by brimstoneSalad » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:03 am

Pick Up Limes is OK, although some of her lunch idea videos, particularly the kids/school lunch ones, make me feel like she's not very realistic.

Great production value, and a ridiculously high sub count though... so that's good if she's reaching people. She has some very good videos.

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Post by NonZeroSum » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm

Lay Vegan wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:23 pm
I'd add in Plant Eats under lifestyle (he has over 8,000 subs). His channel is centered around veganism, yoga, food etc.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpfkq3uR963-bQPLWoWNDGQ/featured

He's got a good range of video topics, and most of them are commentary-style, where he discusses pressing issues within the vegan community. He refers to them "Voice of Reason" videos.

I actually enjoy his muckbang/cooking videos the most. Mostly because it's great not seeing an orthorexic, overly health-obsessed vegan talk about food. However, he doesn't quite have enough food-related videos to consider him a health/nutrition channel, so I'd add him under lifestyle.



In the New to Veganism Section, where is Bite Size Vegan?

She has far more subscribers than James Aspey and "So You're Dating a Vegan" combined. And although she's no longer active on YouTube, has an extensive back-catalogue of videos with valuable info to new vegans and the vegan-curious.

Not sure how appealing Mic would be to non health conscious vegans.

Looks great btw :)

Thanks for these, and I think you're right about Bite Size Vegan, so can change that. Struggling a bit to think of what other heading Plant Eats could go under in lifestyle; "Vegan Convenience" "Vegan Goal Setting" or 3 like Relationships, Parenting and Community?

With the Wiki table of contents it's easier because information on lifestyle would get dispersed into different categories. But there are a lot of educational channels doing a mix of commenting on news, law, politics, activism as well as vlogging. I wanted the library to be a little shorter on condensed categories, and the introduction page to be shorter again:


Wiki Lifestyle:

• Is it Vegan?
• Staying Vegan
• Community
• Dining Out
• Career
• Family, Friends & Partners
• Children
• Companion Animal Care
• Body Building
• Exercise
• Places to live
• Minimalism
• Zero Waste
• Freeganism
• Carbon Offset
• Pest control
• Anger management
• Recreational Drugs

Video Library (so far) - Lifestyle:

• Companion Animal Care
• Minimalism
• Zero Waste
• Freeganism

Introduction to vegan YouTube (so far) - Lifestyle:

• Gardening / Homesteading
• Minimalism / Zero Waste
• Freeganism

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Like there's these I found going through list of vegan youtubers, but probs won't include in introduction chapter:

Travel
• Wild We Roam

Parenting
• Raising Vegan

Van life
• Kombi Life
• The Indie Projects


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Others I just found going through the list I can include or are challengers to top 5:

New to veganism
• TheVeganAtheist

Cooking
• The Vegan Zombie
• AnarchistKitchen
• Cheap Lazy Vegan
• The Vegan Zombie

Fitness
• Fiona Oakes – yaksongs

Celebrity
• Alicia Silverstone – The Kind Life
• Ellen Page Online

Comedy
• VegAnimation

Zero Waste
• Rehana Sara, Rehana Jomeen

Freegan
• Shelbizleee, Shelbi & Madison

Gardening
• VeganAthlete
. . . o Backyard Garden Tour - My Urban Food Forest - What I Ate Today Out of My Yard
• My Vegan Garden Dream
. . . o Vegan Easter Egg Hunt [Harvesting Wild Plums]
• Esther Emery
. . . o Where are the Women Homesteaders? | Esther Emery
• Living Lightly
. . . o Coffee Grounds + Wood Ash / Back to Eden Garden / Vegan Homesteading
• Aisha Ponders
. . . o Vegan Organic Permaculture Farm & Off-Grid || What I Do + Eat
• VeganVeggiePatch
. . . o Vegan Farm Life
• Permanent Culture Now
• Rob Backyard Gardenerr

Sanctuary
• Barn Sanctuary

Public speakers
• Gary Yourofsky
• Gary L Francione
• VeganKanal
• Jean Pierre Froud
• VegFest UK
• Chris Hines

Consequentialist
• Peter Singer – Practical Ethics Channel, TED, Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science
• Dale Jamieson - Big Think
. . . o Dale Jamieson Defends Animal Rights
• David Pearce – Humanity Plus
• Darren McStravick

Deontology
• Tom Regan - Culture & Animals Foundation, Last Chance for Animals, AnimalRightsZone
• indy

Subjectivist
• Ron Broglio

Nihilist
• Joel Marks


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Thanks also for the health suggestions both.

So we've got under Nutrition

1. NutritionFacts.org - Dr. Gregor
2. Healthy Crazy Cool
3. Pick Up Limes

Anyone else?
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Post by Lay Vegan » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:35 am

NonZeroSum wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm
Struggling a bit to think of what other heading Plant Eats could go under in lifestyle; "Vegan Convenience" "Vegan Goal Setting" or 3 like Relationships, Parenting and Community?
The 3 word heading "Relationships, Parenting and Community" seems fitting. But if you'd prefer condensed headings for the video library, then I'd just place him under Community.
NonZeroSum wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm
Others I just found going through the list I can include or are challengers to top 5:

New to veganism
• TheVeganAtheist
The Vegan Atheist is an excellent recommendation. Shame he no longer produces content. :( I assume you're fine with promoting inactive channels?
NonZeroSum wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm
Cooking
• The Vegan Zombie
• AnarchistKitchen
• Cheap Lazy Vegan
• The Vegan Zombie
I'd recommend Cheap Lazy Vegan under cooking as well.
NonZeroSum wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm
Celebrity
• Alicia Silverstone – The Kind Life
• Ellen Page Online
Do you have Ellen DeGeneres as a challenger? She's well known for her animal rights advocacy/work. She's also co-owner of Halo, Purely For Pets, which has a line of vegan dog food.

NonZeroSum wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm
So we've got under Nutrition

1. NutritionFacts.org - Dr. Gregor
2. Healthy Crazy Cool
3. Pick Up Limes
Not a personal fan of Dr. Gregor. He seems to be a bit biased toward vegan diets (Mic's clearly influenced by his work). Of course unlike Mic, Dr. Gregor has the extensive educational background and work experience required to extrapolate on nutrition research, to a degree. Some of his work can stray a bit far from consensus, but I think he's fine.

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Post by NonZeroSum » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:37 am

Lay Vegan wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:35 am
NonZeroSum wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm
Struggling a bit to think of what other heading Plant Eats could go under in lifestyle; "Vegan Convenience" "Vegan Goal Setting" or 3 like Relationships, Parenting and Community?
The 3 word heading "Relationships, Parenting and Community" seems fitting. But if you'd prefer condensed headings for the video library, then I'd just place him under Community.
I didn't think of it as 3 word heading, covering most generalities, kind of fitting. Probs go with that then, unless something better comes a calling.
Lay Vegan wrote:
NonZeroSum wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:52 pm
Others I just found going through the list I can include or are challengers to top 5:

New to veganism
• TheVeganAtheist
The Vegan Atheist is an excellent recommendation. Shame he no longer produces content. :( I assume you're fine with promoting inactive channels?
Yeah it's a detraction, but something to think about, for diversity of channels making up top 5.
Lay Vegan wrote:
NonZeroSum wrote: Cooking
• The Vegan Zombie
• AnarchistKitchen
• Cheap Lazy Vegan
• The Vegan Zombie
I'd recommend Cheap Lazy Vegan under cooking as well.
Coolio, can do.
Lay Vegan wrote:
NonZeroSum wrote: Celebrity
• Alicia Silverstone – The Kind Life
• Ellen Page Online
Do you have Ellen DeGeneres as a challenger? She's well known for her animal rights advocacy/work. She's also co-owner of Halo, Purely For Pets, which has a line of vegan dog food.
Toats, the Ellen Show by my reckoning is the most subscribed vegan channel on YouTube with over 23 million subs, can add ", Halo, Purely For Pets" channel on the end, and think has promoted them on the show too.
Lay Vegan wrote:
NonZeroSum wrote: So we've got under Nutrition

1. NutritionFacts.org - Dr. Gregor
2. Healthy Crazy Cool
3. Pick Up Limes
Not a personal fan of Dr. Gregor. He seems to be a bit biased toward vegan diets (Mic's clearly influenced by his work). Of course unlike Mic, Dr. Gregor has the extensive educational background and work experience required to extrapolate on nutrition research, to a degree. Some of his work can stray a bit far from consensus, but I think he's fine.
Okay doke, can not put him at the top when I list them, any other doctors, chefs or other you know of can recommend? UV's pretty good for talking about what you can replace in your diet with easy convenience, for better nutrition, and showing how to calculate etc.
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