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Re: Youtube Channel

Post by Red » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:36 pm

PsYcHo wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:34 pm
Red wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:17 pm
Didn't you read the description?
...I can't read. :cry:
Impossible. Then how were you able to comprehend what I typed and then respond?
Or are you just jrunk again
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Post by NonZeroSum » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:50 pm

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:06 am
Oh :idea:! You should mirror the Open Letter to Matt videos!
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Post by Red » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:01 pm

NonZeroSum wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:50 pm
brimstoneSalad wrote:
Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:06 am
Oh :idea:! You should mirror the Open Letter to Matt videos!
That'd be a fan-fucking-tastic idea.
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:44 pm

Red: Can you email it to me?

NonZeroSum: I can check to see if TVA minds.

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Post by NonZeroSum » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:35 pm

brimstoneSalad wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:44 pm
Red: Can you email it to me?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8g-aCUkn-onMlZtdWx4VFJkS0k
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NonZeroSum: I can check to see if TVA minds.
Sounds good, it would very explicitly be a mirror as we see the intro and outro to his channel and name in the corner. And can be publicity to his new channel also with links in the description, some new people to vegan youtube won't be aware of the open letter videos or his new channel.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8g-aCUkn-onRVN3RWhUMzZiN28

Can also let them know about Indy's reply to the video and thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thRBVWSNO5A
http://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3402
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:11 am

Thanks NonZeroSum, I put up the intro video.
And thanks again to Red!

I'll try to email TVA tomorrow to ask.

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Post by PsYcHo » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:54 pm

Red wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:36 pm
Impossible. Then how were you able to comprehend what I typed and then respond?
Or are you just jrunk again
Years ago I won in poker against an albino dwarf who had bet his house on a single hand. My pair of seven beat his pair of sixes. I offered to let him keep his home in exchange for his becoming my interpreter for all things written. He reads me the words from the interweb, and responds back with my replies.
Alcohol may have been a factor.

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Post by Red » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:17 pm

PsYcHo wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:54 pm
Red wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:36 pm
Impossible. Then how were you able to comprehend what I typed and then respond?
Or are you just jrunk again
Years ago I won in poker against an albino dwarf who had bet his house on a single hand. My pair of seven beat his pair of sixes. I offered to let him keep his home in exchange for his becoming my interpreter for all things written. He reads me the words from the interweb, and responds back with my replies.
Oh, yeah? How 'bout this one? A human traveled to a planet that was hostile to his carbon-based life support systems. He perished abruptly. The humor is in his termination.
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Post by NonZeroSum » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:06 pm

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Wiki Page
http://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/Philosophical_Vegan_YouTube_Channel

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0. [Mirror] Open Letter to Matt

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8g-aCUkn-onRVN3RWhUMzZiN28


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1. Namethetrait history/highlights and #nametheprofessor call out to Sisyphus Redeemed especially

Part 1: Intro to controversy

FriendEd debate, moment to reflect on advocacy and educate ourselves on ethics, sincere ask to Ask Yourself and followers to get onto firmer ground and expand the range of their arguments.

Part 2: Open questions

What logical argumentation should we be pushing? How much humility in epistemology? How much psychological maneuvering in the approach? And finally the different answers to these questions depending on whether we're conversing 1 on 1 vs with an audience.

Part 3: UV's nametheprofessor comment

We're concerned with the claim that namethetrait as a consistency test is air-tight if it is not grounded in some firm meta-ethical premises, Isaac's reluctance to meet people at the foundations of their ethics is concerning, but if that's not necessary and everything can be run through namethetrait we'd like it if he could find one philosophy professor who is immersed in these questions to agree.

Read UV's comment, and play comedy clip "Calling all Jan Michael Vincent’s" to zooming in on #nametheprofessor.

Shoutout to Sisyphus Redeemed, you've argued the difference between subjective and objective is a categorical error, so you might be the least bias person to way in here, vegan, atheist, big time science advocate and all round bad ass.

For background we're going to play out the video with a hilight reel of the events leading up to this video, to get people up to speed. Full response to Ask Yourself's response to the forum thread upcoming, as well as lots of exciting videos including a "Top 25 Most influential moments for veganism in history", a response to David Benatar, a full run down and critique of anti-natalism within the vegan movement and an interview with a freegan charity food distributor. Till next time...

Part 4: Highlight reel/montage

AskYourself being called up on his alienating persona and argument style by other vegans.

Ask Yourself & Vegan Gains call out to debate the Skeptic community.

FriendEd labeling vegans objectivists to disregard one true morality, Ask Yourself denying this and trying to use namethetrait as formal logic.

PhiloVegan commenting namethetrait is coherent as formal logic only under consequential ethics and asking for some humility.

AskYourself insisting he’s an ontological subjectivist, namethetrait is perfect, building an echo chamber and binging on calling everyone retard and murking.

UnnaturalVegan offering her opinion that PhiloVegan is right that namethetrait is fine as informal argument but not as formal logic, promising she’ll do a video if he can get a professor to agree with it.


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2. Top 25 Most influential moments for veganism in history.

https://theveganoption.org/vegetarian-history/

Forum Game/Debate: Most important moments in vegan history.
http://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3499

My animal ethics history blog post
http://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3499


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3. Benetar Response

http://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?t=2215


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4. Anti-Natalism critique

Inmendham, OGMizen, various expressions of rational to fatalist amongst vegan youtubers.

Inmendham not accepting the limits of human control and still seeing life through the lense of only meaning if there were god that could fix all of nature. Possibly take down of his joke theory of everything essay:

Rational Wiki wrote:Gary Mosher: Physics crank who fervently asserts an alternate "theory of everything", rejecting all evidence of special/general relativity and the double slit experiment. He is also known as "inmendham", and alternately proposes a "destroy all life" philosophy.

https://ontic-philosophy.com/Thread-Gary-Inmendham-Theory-of-Everything
http://rantswithintheundeadgod.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/critique-of-inmendhams-radical-pessimism.html
http://www.efilism.com/book.html


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5. Freeganism interview

Part 1: Run down of advocacy for freeganism we see on...

Tv
• Clean polished woman asking to reform shelf policies Finland.
• Hugh Fernley witting stall bread pudding, war on want campaign

Newspapers
• Junk food cafes opening up

Social media
• How Much Food Can You Find In A Dumpster? (Vegan Gains)
• Bread boycott story

Part 2: Video showing round The Real Junk Food Project Doncaster

How the operation runs hygienically and distribution.

Part 3: Slippery slope?

Could it be seductive diet/lifestyle like paleo that limits your engaging with the hard rational ethics that are more likely to keep you vegan.

Part 4: How do we fix the problem?

Homeless dependency on it, irony of frugal activists being better able to travel with safety net of supermarket suburb dumpsters.

We don’t want the fix to be that we carry on wasting at the rate we are, but that it get’s burnt off in some slightly more environmentally friendly way. We want all the remedies discussed so far and foraging and gleaning street kitchens.
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Post by Margaret Hayek » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:39 am

NonZeroSum wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:06 pm

1. Namethetrait history/highlights and #nametheprofessor call out to Sisyphus Redeemed especially

Part 1: Intro to controversy

FriendEd debate, moment to reflect on advocacy and educate ourselves on ethics, sincere ask to Ask Yourself and followers to get onto firmer ground and expand the range of their arguments.

Part 2: Open questions

What logical argumentation should we be pushing? How much humility in epistemology? How much psychological maneuvering in the approach? And finally the different answers to these questions depending on whether we're conversing 1 on 1 vs with an audience.

Part 3: UV's nametheprofessor comment

We're concerned with the claim that namethetrait as a consistency test is air-tight if it is not grounded in some firm meta-ethical premises, Isaac's reluctance to meet people at the foundations of their ethics is concerning, but if that's not necessary and everything can be run through namethetrait we'd like it if he could find one philosophy professor who is immersed in these questions to agree.

Read UV's comment, and play comedy clip "Calling all Jan Michael Vincent’s" to zooming in on #nametheprofessor.

Shoutout to Sisyphus Redeemed, you've argued the difference between subjective and objective is a categorical error, so you might be the least bias person to way in here, vegan, atheist, big time science advocate and all round bad ass.

For background we're going to play out the video with a hilight reel of the events leading up to this video, to get people up to speed. Full response to Ask Yourself's response to the forum thread upcoming, as well as lots of exciting videos including a "Top 25 Most influential moments for veganism in history", a response to David Benatar, a full run down and critique of anti-natalism within the vegan movement and an interview with a freegan charity food distributor. Till next time...

Part 4: Highlight reel/montage

AskYourself being called up on his alienating persona and argument style by other vegans.

Ask Yourself & Vegan Gains call out to debate the Skeptic community.

FriendEd labeling vegans objectivists to disregard one true morality, Ask Yourself denying this and trying to use namethetrait as formal logic.

PhiloVegan commenting namethetrait is coherent as formal logic only under consequential ethics and asking for some humility.

AskYourself insisting he’s an ontological subjectivist, namethetrait is perfect, building an echo chamber and binging on calling everyone retard and murking.

UnnaturalVegan offering her opinion that PhiloVegan is right that namethetrait is fine as informal argument but not as formal logic, promising she’ll do a video if he can get a professor to agree with it.

As I've mentioned to a few others I would be really happy to help with this - e.g. with the script. Although I'm a big fan of Youtube, I as of yet have no experience actually making Youtube videos, nor do I know what all goes into it, nor do I have experience editing videos (although I believe that I would like to learn how to do these things too).

I might be in a better position to help with the script once I've contributed a bit more to the wiki on NTT and consequently organized my thoughts on the matter. But I do think that, as I've mentioned, it would be good to strike while the iron is hot on this topic and get the video out there as soon as possible.

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