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Prophiscient
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Post by Prophiscient » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:40 pm

Hi,

I'm interested in all areas of philosophy. I'm especially interested in moral philosophy. I would consider myself a subjectivist and a minimal moral realist.

I'm an atheist. I don't see any evidence that would warrant a belief in a god.

As for my diet, I mostly agree with veganism. I think that vertebrates and cephalopods are likely to have meaningful lives and that it'd be wrong to kill them without a sufficient reason (and I'd consider taste pleasure to be an insufficient reason). However, I don't think that non-cephalopod invertebrates have meaningful inner-lives, so I'm okay with eating them. I consider myself to be an invertebratarian. I'm not okay with eating vertebrates or cephalopods or their products (dairy, eggs, wool, leather, etc...), but I'm fine with eating all other invertebrates (such as clams, mussels, oysters, scallops, shrimp, crab, and lobster). I'm also fine with entomophagy (although I don't partake myself), honey, silk, snail, etc.

Anyway, this is my view, and I'm cool with talking about it.

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Post by Red » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:03 pm

Hey Prophiscient, welcome to the forum!
What makes you agree mostly with veganism, yet still have some reservations about it? I think most of us would be interested in discussing your stance. Start a new thread!
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Post by Jebus » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:51 am

Welcome Prophiscient,
Prophiscient wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:40 pm
I'm fine with eating all other invertebrates (such as clams, mussels, oysters, scallops, shrimp, crab, and lobster).
I.m. ok with the clams and oysters but I don't think we have a full understanding of what a lobster may sense while being boiled.
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Post by brimstoneSalad » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:45 pm

Welcome Prophiscient, awesome intro!
Jebus wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:51 am
I.m. ok with the clams and oysters but I don't think we have a full understanding of what a lobster may sense while being boiled.
Right, I think it makes sense to err on the side of caution there. Lobsters only have 100,000 neurons (less than a fruit fly), but we don't know the minimum needed for sentience and they may have a very marginal sense of it.

I think we could justify killing these animals for many non-trivial reasons, including them being pests that spoil food and spread bacteria (as fruit flies are) but going so far as to raise them for food seems quite a daring assumption if all it's providing us is taste.
In terms of catching them from the wild, then there are added environmental issues and those of by-catch.

I think I could see raising worms and some insect larvae for food, animals that can eat rotting human garbage, as an environmental measure. If you can feed worms human feces to recover nutrients and then eat the worms, that might make you greener than vegan. But lobsters IFAIK eat small animals and algae, and probably couldn't survive on human waste.

I think there'd have to be a good reason other than taste to chance it with most arthropods.

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