It is physically easy for them to do, which was my point.EquALLity wrote: Ok, sure, they *can*. But I don't think it's as easy for them because of the double standard.
If it is more psychologically difficult for them to choose to do it, or want to do it, that's a completely different issue.
If they want to do it, and choose to try to do it, they can do it very easily. For men, that is not the case.
Are people going to have intellectual conversations about sizes and shapes the body parts of people they've had sex with?EquALLity wrote: Also, I don't know why you keep calling it bragging. It doesn't have to be bragging.
Maybe there's a whole field of educated discussion I've been missing out on.
It's very reasonable to assume, if people are talking about these things in public, they're bragging about them.
A woman can ask for advice about sex without indicating the quantity of her sexual partners.
I suppose it would be an issue if she were asking advice about things so different each week that it couldn't possibly be the same person.
"How do you have sex with somebody under four feet tall? What's a good position?"
"How do you have sex with somebody over seven feet tall? I can't figure it out, what's a good position?"
"How do you have sex with a really really fat man, where his belly keeps crushing you? Is there a good method?"
"How do you have sex with a quadriplegic? I can't figure it out, help!"
Sure, that's one conceivable way in which the number of her sexual partners could be conveyed in a non-bragging context.
-Men can ask for advice about manifold sexual situations without stigma.
Oh, wait, no they can't.
"Dude, you're so incompetent, how do you not know how to please a woman? What a loser! Virgin!"
That's probably a tie. You know men aren't allowed to ask for directions; doubly so with sex.
Do bigots choose to be bigots?EquALLity wrote: As to the choice idea... I don't think it's really like choosing between chocolate and vanilla soy ice cream.
Or do the other thing, and stigmatize men too.EquALLity wrote: We should spread the idea that the stigma is wrong, and spread liberalism in general.
It implies a broader array of sexual partners, which increases risk drastically.EquALLity wrote: I don't see why it'd be more harmful than ordinary sex...
Yes, even in a monogamous relationship, your partner will probably cheat on you and may catch a disease from the two or three others and give it to you. But with casual sex, you may have sex with a dozen people a year or more, and each of those dozen with a dozen others.
Sexual transmission and risk is an exponential effect.
Having ten sexual partners is closer to a hundred times as risky than ten times as risky. Maybe more.
No, but it may make it wrong to relieve women of the stigma, instead of enforcing the stigma upon men.EquALLity wrote: But that's an interesting point, then. That doesn't make it right to use a harmful double standard in reaction though.
It's like in some countries, men are encouraged to smoke, and women are stigmatized for it. This is GOOD for women, and bad for men. Feminists are often so dogmatic about removing stigmas, that they want to make it acceptable for women to smoke too.
Issues like that are not a feminist's job; that's MRAs job to remove the social pressure pushing men into smoking, and to encourage men to value their health.
It doesn't apply unless people know about it on the social level. And if you judge yourself for it... well, that's kind of up to you. It's much harder to complain about that kind of thing. It kind of gets into the issue of "free will".EquALLity wrote: The stigma there isn't really with having the bowel movements, just talking about them. It's different with the slut thing.
Anyway, as mentioned above, couldn't that be a good thing if it's prevented dangerous behavior?
No, everybody should be equally stigmatized assuming it's equally harmful. Keep in mind, this was not a stigma that was ADDED to women. This is a stigma that has been REMOVED from men.EquALLity wrote: But using a harmful double standard to combat that isn't really ideal.
For a while it used to be unacceptable for men to talk about these kinds of things too, or have more than one sexual partner in their lives. They still did it, but it was very shameful. The good and noble man god married, and only ever had sex with his wife until he (or she) died.