Re: Stupid Feminist Comments
Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:55 am
Be my guest.knot wrote:^
You can quickly make a list of female privileges that will make those two lists look quite tame
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Be my guest.knot wrote:^
You can quickly make a list of female privileges that will make those two lists look quite tame
- Sex, pretty much anytime, anywhere, as long as you're not too picky.knot wrote:I think some of the biggest ones are probably
- No forced military service (most countries)
- Complete control over the reproductive process (commercial surrogacy seems to be illegal most places)
- Longer life span
Not a privilege. Society doesn't give you that, It's biological.knot wrote: - Longer life span
- No, society doesn't give that privilege to women. They usually are branded as sluts.brimstoneSalad wrote:
- Sex, pretty much anytime, anywhere, as long as you're not too picky.
- If you don't like somebody, you can have him beaten up or murdered by a complete stranger if you make up a good sob story.
- Want a divorce? In most places you get to keep the kids, and the man can only occasionally visit them, even if you're a really shitty mother and he's a great and responsible dad.
- How about some free money, too, for "child support" which you don't spend on your children? Even if the man didn't want kids and you tricked him into it by saying you were on the pill when you weren't. Doesn't matter -- his sperm, his responsibility.
You're a little confused here; privilege is privilege. You can't draw an imaginary hard line between social privileges and biological ones; these are all environments of context, and they are all interrelated and inseparable.knowledge is power wrote:Not a privilege. Society doesn't give you that, It's biological.knot wrote: - Longer life span
Men are generally stronger than women. That's not a privilege either, it's also biological.
The fact that men are usually stronger than women is at the root of the danger women face from men. This is very much biological. So is male propensity for being less picky about sex; they face fewer risks from the prospect. Lower chance of catching diseases, no chance of pregnancy and all of the risks that entails.3. I Have the Privilege of Easy Bathroom Access – Even When There Are No Bathrooms
They have this privilege by virtue of social economics; supply and demand.knowledge is power wrote:- No, society doesn't give that privilege to women. They usually are branded as sluts.
And yet you don't contest that a little creative story telling can get somebody beaten up for you, or that you would be able to find somebody to commit murder for you; even more easily if you had sex with them and made them a temporary "boyfriend" for that purpose (although those type can be harder to break up with).knowledge is power wrote:- A complete stranger will murder someone for me? Extremely rare.
It's not just that it's one issue against another; it's also a matter of magnitude of the issue.knowledge is power wrote:- I agree fathers do not get a fair deal when it comes to custody. Change is much needed here.
Exclusively?knowledge is power wrote:Many if not most women do spend child support on children and in many cases it is nowhere near enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sup ... mmon_wagesWikipedia wrote:If the obligor has no other child support debts, earns California minimum wage working 40 hours a week, has no benefits, and the custodial spouse does not work, the expected payment is closer to $320.[117]
knowledge is power wrote: Many if not most women do spend child support on children and in many cases it is nowhere near enough.
She said many if not most, not exclusively.brimstoneSalad wrote:Exclusively?
Do you have some statistics on this?
Strangers in a bathroom? What? It's society in general.brimstoneSalad wrote:They have this privilege by virtue of social economics; supply and demand.
How does being branded a "slut" by strangers in a bathroom affect you at all?
Just keep your private life private. Closeted gays have been doing it for decades.
"Keep your private life private?" As long as you have the consent of the person who you are with, why should there be a stigma to share information about yourself that there is nothing wrong with? And if that's the case for one group and not another, you don't see that as an issue?brimstoneSalad wrote:-Can strike men without social stigma, sometimes very hard, and even using implements like purse/shoes.
Exclusively spending the money on the children.EquALLity wrote: She said many if not most, not exclusively.
Society has no idea how much sex you have in private or with whom. Simply having large quantities of casual sex is not an important part of human identity.EquALLity wrote:Strangers in a bathroom? What? It's society in general.
I hope you can understand that wasn't what I was saying. I was comparing ONLY the ability to keep sex, which is private, a private matter.EquALLity wrote:Closeted gays have been doing it for decades? You have no problem with that? It's perfectly fine that gay people had/have to stay in the closet to avoid social stigma, and that straight people can be open about their sexual orientation, because gays are able to avoid the social cost by hiding their true identities, when there was and is nothing wrong with those identities?
'Don't Ask Don't Tell' wasn't an issue? Gays should just keep their mouths shut? O_O
He does not understand the difference between sex, and a serious relationship/marriage, and the very different role each of these have in our social systems. Anybody who is married can tell you the two are not necessarily related.EquALLity wrote:This Congressman had it right, to an extent? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mce ... 72974.html
With rare exception of shame videos that some sickos take and post online (and celebrities), it is a choice for a woman to make her sexual exploits public knowledge (assuming she's able to follow the old adage "don't shit where you eat" and avoid having sex with people she works with or goes to school with who might gossip http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... re+you+eat ). Just as it is a choice straight men make to share their exploits, and one closeted gays have made NOT to do for the past few decades (in addition to being denied the right to publicly marry and engage in relationships without social cost, which is actually NOT OK, but that wasn't what I was comparing).EquALLity wrote:Social cost matters when it comes to men, but not women?
brimstoneSalad wrote:-Can strike men without social stigma, sometimes very hard, and even using implements like purse/shoes.
If it's nobody's business, and nobody knows about it unless you go out of your way to share it? No.EquALLity wrote:And if that's the case for one group and not another, you don't see that as an issue?
Ahhh, ok, I understand.brimstoneSalad wrote:Exclusively spending the money on the children.
Yes, I'm sure most women spend some of the money on the children (that's consistent with what she said) -- the question I posed is whether the money is going exclusively to the child's care, in paying the man's half, and not also to relieving the woman's rightful part of the burden, or even going beyond that and subsidizing her cost of living. It's also important to make the distinction between buying toys and games, and actual living expenses.
Well, I wasn't saying society did.brimstoneSalad wrote:Society has no idea how much sex you have in private or with whom. Simply having large quantities of casual sex is not an important part of human identity.
But why should people have to hide stuff about themselves if they do not want to? And why is it ok that there stigma specifically for women when they don't keep it private, but not men, even though they are doing the exact same thing?brimstoneSalad wrote: While a gay couple should be able to present in public, get married, husbands or wives attending company parties, etc. a woman who chooses to have large amounts of casual sex with men in public restrooms won't necessarily feel emotionally compelled to bring that part of her life into the public sphere -- and can very easily keep it private if that's what she chooses.
Yep, I see what you meant now.brimstoneSalad wrote:I hope you can understand that wasn't what I was saying. I was comparing ONLY the ability to keep sex, which is private, a private matter.
Love, relationships, marriage, etc. are important elements of society, and public matters. I never said it was good for gays to be in the closet.
She shouldn't have to keep it to herself if she doesn't want to when it isn't harmful to anybody.brimstoneSalad wrote:If a woman wants to have a lot of casual sex, on the other hand, she suffers nothing keeping that to herself and her sexual partners.
All she loses is the privilege of bragging about it, which doesn't lessen her ability to engage in the act.
Ok, they both have the choice, but when men choose to do that they are praised, and when women choose to do it they are deemed 'sluts'.brimstoneSalad wrote: With rare exception of shame videos that some sickos take and post online (and celebrities), it is a choice for a woman to make her sexual exploits public knowledge (assuming she's able to follow the old adage "don't shit where you eat" and avoid having sex with people she works with or goes to school with who might gossip http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... re+you+eat ). Just as it is a choice straight men make to share their exploits,
o_ObrimstoneSalad wrote: If it's nobody's business, and nobody knows about it unless you go out of your way to share it? No.
I'm talking about if both partners are ok with talking about it, not really gossip.brimstoneSalad wrote:Just everybody: Don't kiss and tell. Until the very recent present, it was considered very improper for men to gossip about sex too.
It's a double standard created by biology, I dont think there is an easy way to really fix it. Men are hardwired to have as much sex as possible with any number of women, whereas women are designed to be much more picky. Historically it has been "dangerous" for men to enter relationships with women who sleep around a lot, because that would mean you risked wasting your time accidentally raising another man's child. At least that's the evo-psych reason I have heard for slut shaming. In an age of contraception devices, slut shaming doesn't make much sense, but on the other hand, I dont understand why women would want to brag about having tons of random sex in the first place, since its so incredibly easy to pick up men. Just watch any street experiment where men/women ask total strangers if they want to have sexEquALLity wrote: But it's a harmful double standard.
If a man talks it about it, society doesn't judge him for his actions. It praises him.
If a woman does, society condemns her as a 'slut'.
As a consequence, men are actually encouraged to do it and talk about it, while women are discouraged in a harmful way.