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Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 4:17 pm
by garrethdsouza
There is a spectrum of distinct sexual orientations and gender identites apart from the gender binary heterosexual identity.

While there is more awareness about homosexuality this isn't often true for many orientations and identities.
For instance asexual (not to be confused with celibate, which isn't an orientation but a choice), pansexual, demisexual on the orientation spectrum or transgender, androgyne, neutrois on the gender spectrum and its important for people to be aware of this.

Re: Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:57 pm
by brimstoneSalad
How does this relate to the linguistic paradigm of he/she, in your view?

Re: Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 11:58 pm
by garrethdsouza
I guess that he/she assumes the gender binary while non-binaries may not find the usage applicable. for instance many prefer to be referred to as they instead of the noninclusive binary of he/she .

http://queerdictionary.tumblr.com/post/ ... enderpivot

Facebook too has begun to introduce changes. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/male-female ... ook-users/

http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Wiki

On a different issue of sexual orientations
Asexuality is commonly confused with voluntarily choosing to not have sex or celibacy. Asexuality on the other hand is an orientation wherein individuals do not experience sexual attraction towards anyone,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/965126 ... exual.html

Variations on it include demisexual, Gray-A etc. http://www.asexuality.org/wiki/index.ph ... Demisexual

Re: Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation

Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:48 am
by Jebus
brimstoneSalad wrote:How does this relate to the linguistic paradigm of he/she, in your view?
Some languages, like Mauritian, don't have he and she; just one word for both. In Sweden there has been discussion to get rid of these words (he and she). It definitely makes it easier when writing and talking about a non specific third party. It may also help reduce gender discrimination during employee recruitment discussions.

Re: Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation

Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:29 am
by brimstoneSalad
garrethdsouza wrote:for instance many prefer to be referred to as they instead of the noninclusive binary of he/she .
"They" is a plural pronoun, not singular. I do not consider this usage acceptable and I avoid using it like that. There is already a gender neutral singular pronoun: it. Unfortunately, people find this dehumanizing and are insulted by it.

If somebody wants me to call him or her "it", or call it "it" (if they like), I'm open to that. There's some argument that can be made that the word "it" should be reclaimed as acceptable rather than an insult, just as many words before have been.
We call babies "it", as in "what is it, a boy or a girl?", and constantly refer to them as "it"s before we know the gender.
We also ask "Who is it?" when somebody is at the door, or calling.
I call animals he or she to be deliberately not objectifying them, even if they might object to the gender binary themselves if they knew what I was talking about (although I'm pretty sure caring about that at all is a human convention of [arguably justified] hypersensitivity caused by a long history of cultural prejudices).

I'm not willing to create extremely obtuse grammatical structures in all cases to dance around pronouns entirely, or to say "people", since that implicitly excludes animals.
Likewise, I find it problematic to say something like "that human", because it's weird.

https://www.theveganatheist.com/forum/v ... f=15&t=854

See primarily Jebus' and my replies there.

If I can support Anti-binary-gender activism without compromising vegan activism, I'm on board and quite happy to, as I would expect any anti-binary-gender activist to also at least BE vegan (to not actively support animal cruelty), although I wouldn't expect him her or it to be "in your face" about veganism, particularly if that interfered with his/her/its primary goals as an anti-binary-gender activist.