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Is Vukovar Revisionism racist?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:40 pm
by teo123
Do you think that Vukovar Revisionism, the view I subscribe to, also somehow qualifies as racism?

Re: Is Vukovar Revisionism racist?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:08 pm
by Jebus
@teo123 I started a new thread for you. Please be careful not to derail other forum discussions.

Re: Is Vukovar Revisionism racist?

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:04 am
by brimstoneSalad
Like Holocaust denialism, or belief that colonial slavery of Africans in the new world was "nice", it could very plausibly be.
The defense that the victims don't qualify as another race doesn't work: races are arbitrary social constructs, and I know that in Europe there's a lot more subtle distinction than most people would recognize; e.g. history of racism against Irish even though most of us would all all "white" Europeans "white".

@NonZeroSum probably knows a lot more about it than I do.

Re: Is Vukovar Revisionism racist?

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:23 am
by teo123
So, @NonZeroSum, is there any literature about Vukovar Revisionism in English? The most smart-sounding argument I've heard for Vukovar Revisionism is that, if the mainstream story of Vukovar Massacre isn't mythological, how come do the names of people and places in it appear symbolic? Consider, the name "Vukovar" can be read as "city of wolves" (wolf being a very demonized animal). It doesn't actually come from those words (it actually means "city on the Vuka river", and "Vuka" was called "Ulca" in ancient times, probably from an Illyrian language and perhaps related to the name of the river "Volga"), but people who made up that myth of Vukovar Massacre perhaps didn't know that. And a part of Vukovar where there is supposedly a mass grave is called "Ovčara". "Ovčara" means "meat from sheep" in Croatian. The mainstream history tells us that the leader of the Croatian army in Vukovar, to whom president Tuđman supposedly refused to send weapons, is called "Mile Dedaković". So, the name of an innocent and helpless Croatian politician literally translates to "Dear Grandfather". And the name of the leader of the illegal army that commited the massacre is called "Željko Raznatović". That means "one who wants to destroy" ("raznijeti" is a rare, but still well-known, word for "destroy"). Do those arguments sound compelling to you? They don't sound compelling to @brimstoneSalad, he/she says you can find such coincidences everywhere.
I don't see how I can be called racist if I, as a Croatian, deny Vukovar Massacre, since mainly Croatians were supposedly killed in Vukovar Massacre.