Re: My Actual Libertarian Experience
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 3:11 am
Philosophical Vegan Forum
Bennet probably wasn’t qualified to debate the topic at hand.Red wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 6:36 pmI think he did pretty well for the most part. His weaker parts were when he was responding to questions and such, and made appeals to authority (not that he was wrong; to a rational, scientifically literate person, it can be a very compelling case to make in regards to a hard science like this), but people are morons, especially in a place like this. Not only is ideology going to get in the way, but they're libertarians.
You should’ve posed a challenging question during the Q&A session.
Absolutely. The continued popularity of the likes of Ben Shapiro is proof of that.
I might have misread some of your earlier posts, but isn't it 11% who changed their mind, with the other 11% already convinced of those ideas? I can't find the original poll as it now links to the veganism debate poll.Clearly 22% of the room was persuaded of objectively harmful ideas as a result of the debate.
Totally agreed. He's an astrophysicist, so he may have some authority on the subject matter, but it is not his area of expertise. I wouldn't call him downright ignorant on the subject, he's definitely very intelligent, (and again, did quite decent given the circumstances), but he's just not someone who you'd call for a debate like this. A climatologist or atmospheric physicist would definitely have been able to shoot down those arguments as they came. When I read that an astrophysicist would be debating there, I was like 'Are you sure someone like that is qualified?'
I think it's more of a problem if the people listening to the debate are close-minded blokes to listen to ideology. Certain debates are extremely productive given the right context and setting, but when it comes to politics (which an issue such as climate change unfortunately has come to), it's usually a lost cause.
Hell, you don't even have to be that. Idso was about as charismatic as a plank of wood, and Bennett was pretty outgoing. It's all about the idea you're siding with. Is it a coincidence that already conservative people listen to conservative pundits? Same goes for liberals.
It depresses the hell out of me. To be honest, shit like this just makes me ask 'What's the fucking point?' Of course, I don't always have that mindset, but it affects me from time to time, this hopelessness of changing the world for the better.Lay Vegan wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 7:22 pm@Jamie in Chile said it well somewhere earlier in this thread. It’s an irresponsible use of that platform to hold a debate on something so important and well established in the scientific community. Clearly 22% of the room was persuaded of objectively harmful ideas as a result of the debate.
I was actually going to ask a question (that likely would have started a riot). I was going to ask if climate change denial is an issue that is divided more by politics than science. My teacher who brought me along said it was an excellent question too, but he thought the question may have been too controversial. I didn't get a chance to ask it anyway, since they only allow a few people to ask questions so as to not waste too much time.