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Re: The 'Green New Deal' is Stupid, Grade-A Counterproductive Bullshit

Post by Red » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:13 am

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Look, I'll cut you a deal: I'll review your Wikipedia article if you review my video.
That's just psychology man.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
So how can we resolve this? That is the question.
I'm... I'm not sure... eh lemme call you back
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Maybe not, but Bernie and AOC, regardless of what you think of them, have played a vital role in shifting the American Overton window to the left.
Whether or not that's true is up for debate (I don't know), but they are still part of the pseudoscience leftist cucks.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Well I suppose then it wasn't much of a defiance for Obama to support nuclear if Regular Democrats were generally mixed. I thought that most of them were pro-nuclear though, which big Regular Democrat figures are anti-nuclear?
Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are the most obvious I think. I remember seeing a statistic that about 50% of Democrats are against nuclear so it's all fucked up.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
This doesn't really disprove what I said, as children are usually undecided on political, economic and religious issues.
Do you have a choice in what your parents teach you?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am

The significant amount of time may have already passed.
10 years isn't much time.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
My mind is sort of open. Like, I do change my mind when I see new evidence. It just sort of takes a while, because the belief I held before was so intertwined into my identity. For instance, it took me a while to support the abolition of the monarchy in Britain because of my identity of wanting to fuck the Queen. You can learn more about this in the video I sent you.
Well you can always improve if you think you can.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Well, what if it turns out that trying to do the most good actually leads to less good happening? You'd still have to drop that ideology on the basis of new evidence, like you would with any other. Also, it is my opinion that socialism, LGBT+ rights, feminism, etc. are the best ideologies, but they may well not be.
Would that make the idea of wanting to do the most good wrong? No, it's just your methods that are incorrect, whether you're aware of it or not.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Is that why you keep sending me videos of them being brutalised by alligators?
It's nature man!@#
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Well they can be mistaken about that. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are irrational. Also, what is your source for this?
https://pubsonline.informs.org/doi/pdf/ ... .2014.2096


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Their "self help" videos are the worst in my opinion, because they're pushing their viewpoint much more subtly and so people are more likely to accept it.
Example.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:42 am
Do you venerate Jeremy Corbyn?
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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 am

Red wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:13 am
That's just psychology man.
That's just psychology man.
I'm... I'm not sure... eh lemme call you back
Take a guess.
Whether or not that's true is up for debate (I don't know),
It is true. They have now brought socialism as an ideology into American political discourse when it would have previously been considered a fringe ideology, and liberalism and conservatism dominated the discourse.
but they are still part of the pseudoscience leftist cucks.
I made it clear that this is not relevant to what I was talking about.
Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are the most obvious I think. I remember seeing a statistic that about 50% of Democrats are against nuclear so it's all fucked up.
Find the statistic and bring it to me.
Do you have a choice in what your parents teach you?
No.
10 years isn't much time.
I don't understand what you mean here.
Well you can always improve if you think you can.
Maybe. Who knows?
Would that make the idea of wanting to do the most good wrong? No, it's just your methods that are incorrect, whether you're aware of it or not.
If the ideology, by existing, actually jeopardises its own aims and prevents the most good from happening, then maybe it isn't wrong, but you ought not to align yourself with it.
It's nature man!@#
Look, I'll cut you a deal: I'll review your Wikipedia article if you review my video.
Love it. First point still stand though.
Example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxmORnnP3WI
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Post by Red » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:37 am

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 am
That's just psychology man.
No it isn't.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 am
Take a guess.
At?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 am
Find the statistic and bring it to me.
Wow it's actually 69%. Nevermind then.
https://www.isidewith.com/poll/2441882893/962370
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 am
No.
Exactly.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 am
If the ideology, by existing, actually jeopardises its own aims and prevents the most good from happening, then maybe it isn't wrong, but you ought not to align yourself with it.
But would that make the ideology of wanting to do the most good wrong???
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 am
Love it. First point still stand though.
Which?
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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:42 am

Red wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:37 am
No it isn't.
Or is it?
At?
How we can resolve completely independent viewpoints being conflated with eachother.
Wow it's actually 69%. Nevermind then.
https://www.isidewith.com/poll/2441882893/962370
That has made my day.
Exactly.
How does this disprove what I was saying?
But would that make the ideology of wanting to do the most good wrong???
I already said that it wouldn't but that this is irrelevant to whether we should associate ourselves with it.
Which?
Well they can be mistaken about that. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are irrational.
Wow never realized how funny looking Prager looked.
I would love to see his Spitting Image puppet.

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Post by Red » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:46 am

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:42 am

How we can resolve completely independent viewpoints being conflated with eachother.
Idk
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:42 am

How does this disprove what I was saying?
Unless you're born with apolitical parents, you are not going to be neutral in debates. You're going to have an inherent bias due to your upbringings.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:42 am
Well they can be mistaken about that. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are irrational.
Biases are irrational though no?
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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:50 am

Red wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:46 am
Idk
Take a guess.
Unless you're born with apolitical parents, you are not going to be neutral in debates. You're going to have an inherent bias due to your upbringings.
You will be neutral the first time you hear your parents talking about politics. Children start off neutral, hear their parents opinions on politics, and then they hear their opinions on other stuff as well.
Biases are irrational though no?
Well firstly, people can do irrational things without being themselves irrational.

Secondly, I haven't read the whole of the source, but from what you've told me, it doesn't show that people are generally biased, just that they wrongly consider themselves to be less biased than average.

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Post by Red » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:54 am

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:50 am
Take a guess.
$16,000?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:50 am
You will be neutral the first time you hear your parents talking about politics. Children start off neutral, hear their parents opinions on politics, and then they hear their opinions on other stuff as well.
I thought we were referring to debates and you meant it that you are neutral on all issues when it comes to then.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:50 am
Well firstly, people can do irrational things without being themselves irrational.
I know. We're talking about in general.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:50 am
Secondly, I haven't read the whole of the source, but from what you've told me, it doesn't show that people are generally biased, just that they wrongly consider themselves to be less biased than average.
Then read the whole thing.
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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am

$16,000?
Seriously, take a guess.
I thought we were referring to debates and you meant it that you are neutral on all issues when it comes to then.
No.
I know. We're talking about in general.
I don't see how this changes everything.
Then read the whole thing.
Have you read the whole thing?

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Post by Red » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:05 am

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am
Have you read the whole thing?
yes
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Post by Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:06 am

Red wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:05 am
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am
Have you read the whole thing?
yes
Can you summarise it for me then?

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