Do the ELF promote violence and are they far-left in economic outlook?

[bigbossomni]

so terrorism is ok for you guys as long as it spreads the vegan dogma?

[NonZeroSum]

so terrorism is ok for you guys as long as it spreads the vegan dogma?

Man are you really not capable of following basic things stated to you?

I quoted your 3 posts in their entirety so they wouldn't get lost and asked if you'd edit your original post so that you could stick to one at a time in future, for formatting clarity's sake not censorship.

Two of us have stated we're against the ELF because it's terrorism plain and simple. One person is holding onto some idealism that it's an 'activist' group that communities can support because original ELF cells justified their massive arson's because they were only attacking property.

I'm pointing out the clear as day slippery slope effect of buying into the personal narratives of early attacks by ELF on forest ranger stations which grew out of Earth First tree-spiking which justified in members eyes more violent attacks on people in the last days of the original ELF cell, and still active ones today. Following similar trends as Hunt Sabs to ALF and Greek rioters to Cells of Fire.

ABLC had a good video on this about BLM not having an explicit statement of non-violence, I think that applies here to.

I don't know, I think that's a tenuous comparison. Some student and black radicalism to Weather underground and Black Panthers Brink's Robbery is a much easier comparison. It's just that reckless abandon inherent to the insurrectionairy who thinks it's the only strategy that works. The violence by lone gunmen in reaction to police shootings flew in the face of BLM organized peaceful street protests and sit-ins. I remember one of the shooters said on video that he didn't agree with BLM getting up and speaking and making themselves known to the police, which was the whole concept of BLM, being visible, standing up and making it known that you feel your life is as valuable as others. The other guy shooting into the crowd of a planned BLM march obviously had other ideas to BLM. Or community riots like we saw countless times in past before BLM. Or a few racist tweets from early users of the hashtag. I'd need to see concrete examples where it looks like some BLM chapters could organizationally be evolving into something much more nefarious, like what happened to parts of the environmental movement to parts of Earth First to ELF to IAF today.

[brimstoneSalad]

I'm not sure bigbossomni is even reading anything we write.

Non-violence positions: I think the point was that there needs to be a definitive statement against violence so that stuff can be unequivocally denounced.

[NonZeroSum]

Non-violence positions: I think the point was that there needs to be a definitive statement against violence so that stuff can be unequivocally denounced.

Ochay I agree, was criticizing ABLC's use of clips and what conclusions he was drawing. The use of clips in the film 'If a tree falls; a story of the Earth Liberation Front' is a really great cautionary tale for activists and police alike.

"If a Tree Falls": New Film on Daniel McGowan, Earth Liberation Front, Green Scare. By Democracy Now!
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyRan_knAls
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W91vhfvukI