Look, you think the moon landings were a hoax. You need to start a new thread on that to back up your claim.
Honestly nobody is going to take you seriously after that, that's flat-Earther level conspiracy theory nonsense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pm
I would love to read you elaborate on this astonishing claim that it's a good idea to inflate Earth's population to 30 billion. I've never heard a shocking claim like this before. I'm sure more of us are interested in the maths behind this. Especially in the light of this impending cataclysm you speak of.
It's not maths.
Having more people who live good lives is an intrinsic good.
Having so many people that we approach the carrying capacity of the Earth and can no longer afford to engage in wide-spread animal agriculture is an instrumental good.
It's win-win.
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pm
You failed to answer whether you're a breeder. I am going to have to assume that you are. Unfortunately for you, this undermines all your claims in this thread for obvious reasons.
Obviously I have dozens of children from sperm donation and unprotected one night stands, that must be why I believe in science instead of conspiracy theories!
I'm not answering everything you ask, and this is none of your business (I virtually never answer personal questions).
Does you not wanting or having children invalidate all of your claims?
No, but your being crazy and incapable of doing basic research probably casts serious doubt on them.
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pm
Japan's population ISN'T FAILING, it's merely reducing its numbers.
Professional economists disagree. This is a problem for Japan. The only people who can't understand that believe in quack conspiracy theory style economic concepts.
Oh, wait...
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pm
A shift towards gift- and resource-based economy,
Of course you're one of those.
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pm
Your call to breeding is ridiculous. Fanatic christians shout the same mantra: "Have more children! We must keep pace with the Muslims! We must secure a strong future of the white race! etc." Isn't it obvious how wrong this is?
They are logistically correct. Procreation is the primary source of new theists. They are right to multiply to keep pace, but they're wrong about their beliefs.
Of course, they are also mistaken if they believe their children won't be converted to atheism. Veganism has much more staying power by virtue of being credible.
It's very hard to convert somebody TO veganism, because cognitive dissonance and habit are strong, but keeping somebody there benefits a lot from a family support network and credible arguments against the detractors.
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pmYou admit eugenics will happen even to the "stupid carnist" parents.
You clearly do not know what eugenics or dysgenics is.
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pmVeganism isn't the result of vegan parents multiplying like crazy.
Not exclusively, people can be persuaded to go vegan. However, it's difficult. There's also no reason to believe that would be convincing to a population that is affected by dysgenic forces increasing selfishness, etc.
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pmVegan movement grows because it makes sense.
It's not growing like it should. We lose a lot of people too. Recidivism is very high.
We need people who have anchors through multi-generational practice, which is something much more stable (it can even keep religion around for a while, which is impressive).
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pmEvery single "stupid" person out there WILL surpass you (not only genetically) in many ways. There is no person in this world universally inferior to you, get over it.
Sounds like you've drank the Multiple Intelligences kool-aid too.
They don't need to be inferior in every way, personality type means there are certain kinds of people more likely to be innovators, and also people who will have stronger wills and likely more compassion and social responsibility. Not all of this is genetic, but a lot of it probably is.
sykkelmannen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:08 pmTo assume this self-serving attitude that you should breed because you're better than others is to admit you are in fact an ignoramus unable to see through this bullshit.
It's not personal. Most vegans should have children. You obviously should not, but that's because you're insane and believe crazy things like the moon landings being a hoax.
I suspect that you hold these fringe beliefs not because of reason or empathy, but because it makes you feel special and better than everybody else: it makes you feel like you're in on a secret.
That goes for all of the beliefs you hold: from the (accidentally) sensible ones like veganism, to the insane ones like anti-natalism and the moon-landing-hoax belief.
You're not an intelligent and compassionate person-- that's not why you're vegan. You're vegan because it makes YOU feel good and special and because you think you can lord it over others just like you do with your quacky beliefs. That's not the kind of person we need reproducing.
It's just unfortunate that you're discrediting veganism by association with all of your other fringe beliefs: which only goes to show you really don't give a shit about animals, otherwise you'd find the will to shut up about anti-natalism and about how you think the moon-landings are hoaxes and just advocate for the animals.
I'm not forcing vegans to have children. If they want to, they should, and they should feel good about it because they did a good thing: it's one of those times when human emotional intuition is in line with the consequences. It doesn't happen often, but when it is in line we shouldn't be shy about encouraging it and most of all speaking up against the people like YOU who want to throw around slurs like "breeder" and shame good people who want to have children and raise them to carry on their values.