LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 am
What do you mean? Every time we have deregulation, we have an explosion of wealth.
Incorrect; lack of regulation also causes unstable markets, crashes, and results in poverty when people lose everything they invested.
Government today has to step in to fix these things.
The sub-prime mortgage crash was warned about for years before it happened, and it was all due to insufficient regulation.
SOME industries benefit greatly from deregulation or limited regulation, others are vulnerable to irrational speculation and the formation of bubbles that have dire consequences when they pop.
Ultimately, deregulation increases poverty by increasing wealth disparity.
I think NonZeroSum is much better suited to argue with you about this kind of stuff, and provide you links to resources on good socialist policy.
I'm not interested in economics, I'm just interested in vegans not making veganism look bad by running around claiming that murder should be legal and if we just took away all of the laws and regulation we'd have a utopia.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amI mentioned a few. First, we don't have a religion requiring us to kill people, as many tribal societies do.
We do, people just ignore those parts because we have stable secular governments.
But new religions can and do form, particularly under economic stress.
I won't say religion never causes behavior; religion out of place in a modern society can cause the ignorant and mentally ill to behave in odd ways, but that is not typical of the formation of religions: religions are primarily reactive and explanatory. They form as justifications for behavior and traditions that the tribe has already established.
Religion did not cause tribes to go to war anymore than their sea gods caused ocean-faring societies to build ships and fish; religions and gods are purpose made to fit what the society does, not the other way around. Unless you think some desert dwelling tribe got a sea god and suddenly decided to start building boats.
Causation is reversed here: cultures cause religion. Religion does cause conservative behavior and makes cultures more resistant to change, but that's after the fact of its formation.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amSecond, we have capitalism.
Which is terrible and harmful when it's not regulated by government to prevent monopolies.
I already talked about how capitalism would provide some stability because large companies would create private police forces, but that is just in effect a totalitarian government.
The way you prevent that is having a democratic government in place to prevent concentration of economic power and redistribute some wealth in the form of social programs, and ensuring that votes matter and power can not simply be bought and paid for.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amWhen we have at least some money, it's usually much cheaper to buy something you need than to steal it.
It depends on the value density of the item in question.
If it takes an hour to steal something, and that thing costs less than what you can earn in an hour, then it's easier to earn and buy. That's not true for most things we own (phones, etc.).
I already said that legalizing theft is plausible, because people can protect things with their own bodies as long as assault and murder are criminal. But even doing that has significant economic costs because it forces people to carry things around with them or leave somebody at home (who can not go to work) to protect valuables.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amIt's also much cheaper to hire a worker than to have a slave. And so on.
That's not correct. Slavery is still very popular today in various forms, from literal slaves to wage theft.
https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/modern-slavery/
There are a whole host of reasons slavery has become less popular over the centuries (it is now lower per capita than it has ever been), and most of them have to do with government intervention. Companies get in trouble for using slaves, and it's often (but not always) cheaper to pay people than fines and lawyers.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amYou just asserted that government caused all those good things, and you have not given an explanation of how it even could.
I don't need to explain it. YOU need to provide evidence of correlation of equal or greater quality than that I provided.
All you've done is make assertions.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amLet's say, for the sake of argument, that the Austrian School of economics is wrong in predicting that all the monopolies are caused by the government, that there are some natural monopolies, regardless of how they could possibly form. How does that prove we need a government? The government just creates more and more monopolies.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that the Catholic church is wrong and that Hell doesn't exist. How does that prove we need Sin? Humans just create hell on Earth because of sin.
You're pulling things out of your ass again.
AGAIN, you need to provide some actual evidence for these claims.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amYou seem to be unaware of the arguments used for the Austrian School of Economics.
You seem to be unaware of the arguments used by obscure Catholic apologists to prove the existence of hell.
I don't give two shits about your ad hoc hypothesis. How can you not get this through your skull?
Am I unaware of actual
EVIDENCE? If so, SHARE IT.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 amIts theories correctly predict that less strict laws lead to less inequality
That's not a prediction, that's ad hoc speculation, and it's being applied very selectively.
I already talked about totalitarianism.
LogicExplorer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 am(that the economic freedom index is negatively correlated with the inequality index).
You're a complete idiot.
Do you even know what the Economic Freedom Index means?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom#Method
It's not an index of anarchism, quite the contrary.
The FIRST consideration listed is rule of law:
Rule of Law
Property Rights: Degree of a country's legal protection of private property rights, degree of enforcement of those laws, independence of and corruption within the judiciary, and likelihood of expropriation.
Such indexes look for STRONG property rights, and a government that defends those rights and enforces the law.
Companies look for that to invest in countries as well; political instability is a serious risk factor.
And if you look at the index listing, more socialist countries like Canada actually rank higher than countries like the U.S. indicating the way these things are weighted is not remotely how you imagine them to be. Wealthy countries also tend to have more progressive laws, which is a huge confounding variable.
Either way, Index of Economic Freedom is not an "Murder Legality Index".
If you would just take a few minutes to seriously and critically examine these ridiculous claims you make before you make them you'd save yourself a lot of embarrassment, and me a lot of time.
I don't care enough about this issue to continue devoting time to your ridiculous beliefs on legalizing murder and abolishing all laws to create your utopia.
I'm hoping NonZeroSum can take over and school you with the resources he has on hand (it would take him minutes what would take me hours). He advocates a more sensible form of "Anarchism" (which doesn't seem like Anarchism to me, but whatever you call it) which doesn't suggest legalizing murder and abolishing all government.