I am all in for changing Muslim memes.brimstoneSalad wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:12 pm The reference you gave is from a fundamentalist Christian organization leader. They want Islam annihilated for their own theological reasons; they aren't particularly interested in pragmatic peace.
Quite a claim. 1. That they're all flying that symbol (they aren't), and 2. That doing so when in radical opposition to violence and terrorism isn't actually in competition with the bad ones but supporting them (WTF?).Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:50 pm I hear you on divisions, but this lady says the majority do not really matter and that is why, if they fly the star and crescent, they are all facilitating the existence of the bad ones.
Most people killed by violent Jihadists ARE Muslims of other sects or practices. Sufis get a lot of hate and violence from other sects. Sectarian violence comes from the understanding that there IS competition with respect to which ideologies hold title to the True Islam. The extremists know this.
This is like the difference in fighting an infection with antibiotics vs probiotics.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:50 pm It is not for outsiders to divide the good Muslims from the bad ones. It is to good Muslims to denounce Islam all together and stop flying their flag.
Were Islam a small enough movement that it could just be crushed and eliminated in any practical way, you might make the argument that they need to reform themselves or have their faith annihilated. But that's not the world we live in; Islam is huge and closely tied into the culture of billions.
Inserting and promoting better memes is probably a more viable way to fight extremism and violence. Particularly when those memes already exist as a substantive portion of followers.
It's potentially much easier to convert somebody to Ibadi or Sufi Islam, or Qur'anism, than to convert them to atheism.
You might have noted that they are not interested or even forming conferences to do so. Vatican !! tried to bring Islam to the table and failed.
I am sure that there were good S S soldiers as well as the evil ones, but a Jew could not tell the difference when they were all flying the same flag.
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DL